Why Aria Failed To Take Off But XUV Did??

[Gurrala74]

XUV is continuing with its sales because

1. It has more features and most of the people like more features
2. It has a gear extra AND I have already said this in my previous post above

but already there are 1000s of XUVs were on the roads and normally this is one unique buying criteria for any one as whichever is seen more on the road just follow that like a sheep so it is continuing just like Swift sales

But for sure this kind of situation is going to be changed very soon and by the end of the year things will be different in many ways !! Let us wait and see

 

[msjawahar]

since TATA have made this Aria as a premium vehicle, they shud have designed the car in a aggressive way like that MM did. TO start with they shud hav launched the 4X2 with a mouth-watering price and then shud increase the price graudally. I think the design & the marketing team made the ARIA a big letdown.

Lets hope the next version of ARIA has a better design not like the Vista or Manza

 

[maximas007]

since TATA have made this Aria as a premium vehicle, they shud have designed the car in a aggressive way like that MM did. TO start with they shud hav launched the 4X2 with a mouth-watering price and then shud increase the price graudally. I think the design & the marketing team made the ARIA a big letdown.

Lets hope the next version of ARIA has a better design not like the Vista or Manza

you covered all the points almost.

 

[jagrover]

Aria was a failure. I don't know whether this facelift can revive the sales of this very capable machine. I think this facelift will not be sufficient for Tata to up the sales. Complete makeover is the only key to success. Perception that the Aria brand has is not good. If Tata motors had tried for a proper MUV at that time pitting it against the Xylo/Innova the result would have been very much different IMHO. They tried to make their flagship product but the only factor that went against them was "Pricing" which people were not expecting from a company like TATA who are known for their "more per car" philosophy..

 

[msjawahar]

The ride experience in Aria is better than XUV & Innova

 

[bhvm]

Wo! Wow!
Hope I'm not stepping into a frying pan here.
For the Aria, Well It gives me an 'Soccer mom' image. Its big and comfortable but lacks in many departments. I made a suggestion to Tata Service BM that they should bring back the 3 Liter mill with some 200BHP on tap and he instantly agreed that 2.2 engine is very sluggish for such a big vehicle. Also There's nothing Premium about that Engine. Also the Looks are very muted and it looks like some mix of Innova and Tata marina plus Indica Face.

 

[Vishwas]

Wo! Wow!
Hope I'm not stepping into a frying pan here.
For the Aria, Well It gives me an 'Soccer mom' image. Its big and comfortable but lacks in many departments. I made a suggestion to Tata Service BM that they should bring back the 3 Liter mill with some 200BHP on tap and he instantly agreed that 2.2 engine is very sluggish for such a big vehicle. Also There's nothing Premium about that Engine. Also the Looks are very muted and it looks like some mix of Innova and Tata marina plus Indica Face.

But i heard the 2.2 is far better than the 3.0 in many of the ownership reviews in the sense that 3.0 has something which doesn't convince its owners.

 

[bhvm]

But i heard the 2.2 is far better than the 3.0 in many of the ownership reviews in the sense that 3.0 has something which doesn't convince its owners.

2.2 maybe superior on paper but I feel the other way round. 3.0 was so torquey that you could drive in one gear higher whereas the 2.2 would stutter and choke. no idea about the storme treatment tough.

 

[raj_5004]

Somewhere it is true that "there is no replacement for displacement".

Smaller engines are beefed up with turbos and superchargers to produce more power. But these engines are a dud outside the range of their turbos. Simple because it lacks the cc.

As said above, the 3.0 engine in the Safari was a monster but it had three major problems:

1) Being derived from TATA 407 truck, the engine was too agricultural. It lacked refinement which is expected in a passenger car.

2) It had a very very narrow power band, about 1500 rpm, which required frequent gear changes. Yes, the torque did help, but not much. It was designed to carry heavy loads and not to provide speed, so I wont blame the engine.

3) Lots of reliability issues with the CR system. Yes, it was a simple CR system sourced from Delphi which was bolted on to a truck's engine.

I have always felt that the 3.0 engine of the Safari was a stop-gap arrangement made by TATA to upgrade the pathetic 2.0 engine of the Safari while they were still developing the 2.2 engine.

When the 2.2 rolled out, it was better in all aspects, except the fact that it was a dud at lower rpms. TATA had tuned the turbo at higher rpm and unlike the 3.0, this one did not even have the cc to pull it cleanly till the turbo spools. Result : poor bottom end response.

 

[navnit013]

Somewhere it is true that "there is no replacement for displacement".


When the 2.2 rolled out, it was better in all aspects, except the fact that it was a dud at lower rpms. TATA had tuned the turbo at higher rpm and unlike the 3.0, this one did not even have the cc to pull it cleanly till the turbo spools. Result : poor bottom end response.

Hmmnn. BUT the problem with 2.2 is its gearing. Not the lack of power or displacement. BOTH TATA and Mahindra use the same base (AVL sourced). Its the gearbox thats the difference (and ECU tuning to a certain extent).

Just check Scorpio and Grande, both are 120 bhp and more or less same weight. Yet Scorpio is sprinter. The difference is in the gearing.

 

[bhvm]

raj and navneet,
if we excuse the math and bring both engines on track for a smoke show, you'll know who's the big boss. 3.0 can burn rubber far more easily than 2.2. infact you can get a 3.0 safari get moving in 3rd gear where 2nd or 1st would be appropriate (I used to slot 3rd rather than 1st at times.

for the narrow range, the whole engine has a revv range upto 4000rpm and runs out of breath at 3200rpm, so yes that was narrrow.

for the refinement, yes it was loud and would'warn' pedestrians /cycles when approaching and these would make way for the'king'. in same condition I have to honk horns like crazy on my xuv 500 due to silent engine . so every coin has 2 sides. however vibration was well under control for 3.0L

3.0 engine, I've never experienced any reliablity issues. infact I feel it was a very sturdy and long lasting engine. people have driven it up 3 lac km without opening a nut.

yes gear box is sure to maKe a difference as Scorpio and 500 use same engine block but new 6 speed gearbox makes a whole lot of improvement. I never liked safari gear box.

coming to the point, Tata needs to provide a new gear box as well as better engine for lift the sales of aria.

 

[raj_5004]

Hmmnn. BUT the problem with 2.2 is its gearing. Not the lack of power or displacement. BOTH TATA and Mahindra use the same base (AVL sourced). Its the gearbox thats the difference (and ECU tuning to a certain extent).

Just check Scorpio and Grande, both are 120 bhp and more or less same weight. Yet Scorpio is sprinter. The difference is in the gearing.

Yes, the Safari had poor gear ratios but in comparison, the 3.0 still used to pull cleanly where the 2.2 used to struggle.

raj and navneet,
if we excuse the math and bring both engines on track for a smoke show, you'll know who's the big boss. 3.0 can burn rubber far more easily than 2.2. infact you can get a 3.0 safari get moving in 3rd gear where 2nd or 1st would be appropriate (I used to slot 3rd rather than 1st at times.

Safari 2.2 is faster than the Safari 3.0 buddy.

for the refinement, yes it was loud and would'warn' pedestrians /cycles when approaching and these would make way for the'king'. in same condition I have to honk horns like crazy on my xuv 500 due to silent engine . so every coin has 2 sides. however vibration was well under control for 3.0L

So you prefer a noisy engine in a car, so that you dont have to honk?

 

[TSIVipul]

Well, 2.2 and 3.0 are completely different engines. As Raj already mentioned, 2.2 is far far ahead of the 3.0.

It is the higher displacement which gives punchiness and without any shade of doubt the 3.0 was more punchy but if Tata would have done something seriously with the engine then the story would have been different. It was a pathetically low revving diesel engine with a very narrow powerband. Even Fortuner is also a 3.0, see the difference. I wish Tata would have used a 3.0 with redline at 4250(like all Tata's) and of course a VGT.

BTW, I have heard that they are now getting 160 bhp Aria, I am more interested in looking at the power delivery of that car. Especially the turbo lag it will have.

 

[bhvm]

wow!
vipul, that's the best comparison I've read over here. I feel the mods should move it to the start of this thread, because this deserves it. what say?

 

[TSIVipul]

wow!
vipul, that's the best comparison I've read over here. I feel the mods should move it to the start of this thread, because this deserves it. what say?

One simple question:
Was that sarcastic or serious?