Tata's New Hatchback Zica Now Renamed Tiago

[pravin1987]

Hey Pravin,

I am not sure about idling the car. New cars are using new technology and it is suggested not to idle at al l. Please go through the manual. You are ready to go as soon as it starts. I understand engine start working at peak after attaining its optimum temperature but it is not suggested to idle the car to attain it. This temperature will reach within some time automatically. In my skoda rapid manual it is clearly mentioned no idling under any condition. They say you are ready to go as soon as it starts. Mine is diesel too. I guess it is same with all the modern cars.

Manufacturer generally do not recommended any idling rules. It will not be mentioned in the user manual expect for if you are operating in a cold weather.

when the engine is switched off and started after a rest, the oil circulation takes a bit of time. there is no rule that a engine should not be run below it's operating temprature.

when the engine is switched off after a long ride, the heat on the engine stays for some time before completely cooling off. Again here the car manufacutres do not mention any rules before switching off the engine say like wait till fans running.

4 or 3 minutes idle will not get the vechile to it's optimum temprature. It's just to warm up the engine just like putting on the blower for sometime before running the air con on straight away.

again mileage depends on many other factors like load, traffic, air resistance and so on.

these are just the general practices for better performance of the car.

 

[PraDesh]

It depends the area you travel and live. The limited availability of CNG even after paying extra amount and not that great build quality.

Let me put put the pros amd cons if I would have been at your place:

Tiago diesel vs Baleno cng
Baleno- Great ASS, Better space amd resale value

Tiago- great build quality, fully feature loaded, amazing mileage figures, constantly improving ASS, easily available fuel almost every part of the country (deisel) and top of that with amazing price.

these points from the mind and from heart - A product from Indian company, our own homegrown Tata motors now giving tough fight with its indegeneous car :)

yesterday I saw a slogan on a Safari and made my day.
It was - people talk Make in India, I drive with proud

Thanks kasscon,

Though inclined towards Tiago only, was in of additional points to convience better half.

& slogan is really appealing one..

Does Baleno come with factory fitted CNG or you are planning it from outside?

In any case the price difference between the two will increase and if you chose to get it fitted from outside, that might (not sure on this, experts please advise) void manufacturers warranty.

Additionally, IMO you will really miss the Harmon music Tiago offers (again this is subjective and might not be applicable to you)

thanx. ggnIT,
you are right.

I was planning to get aftermarket CNG kit. But it will void manufacturers warranty.

I am going with Tiago only with no more confusions.

 

[vikyjoshi]

Idling is important in those engines which have turbo charger. It kick on around 2000 rpm (atleast on Storme) and then it is required that you need to idle the engine for around 30 sec begfore turning off after a drive. The turbocharger could be running.

 

[biplab]

I am in sync too,I hardly did idling on my Nano 2012 whenever I start the car. Didn't observe any significant drop in mileage. I got 22.78 kmpl as an average by TF to TF method on 26000+ odo.

Manufacturer generally do not recommended any idling rules. It will not be mentioned in the user manual expect for if you are operating in a cold weather.

Idling is important in those engines which have turbo charger. It kick on around 2000 rpm (atleast on Storme) and then it is required that you need to idle the engine for around 30 sec begfore turning off after a drive. The turbocharger could be running.

Tata Nano owner manual specifically recommends idling of 30 seconds after starting & before stopping engine. See page 71 & 73 of GenX user manual or page 55 of older Nano manual.

After starting run the engine in idle speed for at least 30 seconds.

Stopping :
Before switching off the engine, run the engine in idle condition for at least
30 seconds and then switch ‘OFF’. Turn the ignition key to ‘ACC’ position to stop the engine.

Tiago owner manual doesn't recommend such idling after starting engine. However it recommends 30seconds idling for Tiago with Turbocharger(Diesel version only) before switching off engine. See page 78.

Switch-off the engine
Turn the key to ‘ACC’ position to switch off the engine. Before switching off the engine, run the engine in idle condition for at least 30 seconds and then switch off. This will allow the engine oil to lubricate
the turbocharger, till its speed is
fully reduced and also allow the unit to
cool down.

 

[sjohn]

Hii owners. Does anyone use the following apps. juk car app and navigation app. i found juk car app in play store but navi map which to download??

Heard its an offline. did anyone using it??? Reply pls

 

[Srinivas M]

My question is probably to the gurus in this forum; i would like to know in general how one can check the suspension of a car.

 

[the_downforce]

My question is probably to the gurus in this forum; i would like to know in general how one can check the suspension of a car.

I am working in the automobile area although I'm in no way a "guru" as there will be many more knowledgeable people in this forum.
Anyway I will touch base some theory in layman terms to begin with.

Designing a suspension is one of the most crucial and toughest part for the engineers as the safety and stability of the vehicle depends up on it. The suspension is designed keeping two things in mind:
1) A stiffer suspension increases the stability of the vehicle
2) A softer suspension(below a threshold) absorbs the roughness of the road and gives a comfortable ride

A good suspension combines these two points in the best manner.

When TDing a car, you can check the suspension by:
a)Driving over rough terrains to see how much the unevenness of the surfaces are felt by you.
b)Driving through the corners and observing how well the car is following the corners. Watch out for body roll and the stability of the car while cornering.

A good suspension absorbs the unevenness of the roads quite well and also will be stable in corners as well as high speeds.
Hope this helps.

 

[chaps]

Nowadays we have combination of both soft and hard suspension which changes dynamically on the fly depending on the conditions(picked up by number of sensors).

It works in tandem with Anti Lock Braking System(ABS)

It is there in high end cars and believe its on its way, in next generation mid/low end cars..

 

[Srinivas M]

I am working in the automobile area although I'm in no way a "guru" as there will be many more knowledgeable people in this forum.
Anyway I will touch base some theory in layman terms to begin with.

Designing a suspension is one of the most crucial and toughest part for the engineers as the safety and stability of the vehicle depends up on it. The suspension is designed keeping two things in mind:
1) A stiffer suspension increases the stability of the vehicle
2) A softer suspension(below a threshold) absorbs the roughness of the road and gives a comfortable ride

A good suspension combines these two points in the best manner.

When TDing a car, you can check the suspension by:
a)Driving over rough terrains to see how much the unevenness of the surfaces are felt by you.
b)Driving through the corners and observing how well the car is following the corners. Watch out for body roll and the stability of the car while cornering.

A good suspension absorbs the unevenness of the roads quite well and also will be stable in corners as well as high speeds.
Hope this helps.

Hi DownForce,
Really appreciate your insights indepth .
i tried checking Tiago's suspension when idle by applying force (not much) on the bonnet & on the side of wheels to check its suspension. i found out that suspension being on softer side do you think this practice gives us the fair idea about how it is setup like combination of Firm&softer suspension.

Has anyone in the forum tested suspension in this manner; if so please share your thoughts

 

[sjohn]

Hi DownForce,
Really appreciate your insights indepth .
i tried checking Tiago's suspension when idle by applying force (not much) on the bonnet & on the side of wheels to check its suspension. i found out that suspension being on softer side do you think this practice gives us the fair idea about how it is setup like combination of Firm&softer suspension.

Has anyone in the forum tested suspension in this manner; if so please share your thoughts

Tested same way as you did pal...keep it up

 

[INTELLECT]

SRT motors further reduced price by removing handling charges of Rs.6500/- from the price list. Thanks to SRT motors !!

 

[Akash1886]

Friends,

Any of you taking a flight from CSIA Mumbai can have a look on the TATA TIAGO put up for display at the departure lounge. It is the petrol version.

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Regards

Akash

 

[the_downforce]

i tried checking Tiago's suspension when idle by applying force (not much) on the bonnet & on the side of wheels to check its suspension. i found out that suspension being on softer side do you think this practice gives us the fair idea about how it is setup like combination of Firm&softer suspension.

I really don't think you can gauge a car's suspension set up by pressing the bonnet unless you have prior experience in doing that with many other cars and can compare the results. I can only test a car's suspension by driving it in various conditions.
Btw I found Tiago's suspension to be very balanced to have the best of both worlds. The ride did feel very composed. I'm yet to TD it in an open stretch to test its highway manners.

 

[kasscon]

Yesterday I got chance to drive Tiago for good 230 kms and below are the quick observations.

Start up: my friend booked Tiago from Xxx and asked me to come along to take the delivery as Tata Motors closed the dealership in our city. So we wake up early morning and drove to Xxx in a celerio of his cousin (lucky me to get a chance of comparison). the celerio is aprox three months old and with 2300 on ODO. I drove celerio around 100kms on the way.

We reached dealer by 10:30 and we got the hands on vehicle by 11:00.

Delivery experience: good as the staff was eager and the moment we entered the facility we were served with drinks and was attended by SA. We were asked to wait for some time as the car is in washing bay.we were also offerd a tour for other vehicles. We decided to sit and take rest after drive. After 30 min approx we got to see the vehicle after washing and we started with PDI checkup process. Everything was in place. I decoded the VIN and it was those of Zica models and the Zica was scratched from the plate and the other decals were replaced with Tiago pretty neatly.

It took around Two hours of time for all the paper work and other formalities and a small ceremony with a gift of chocolates from them.

The experience was nice however a notch below than Hyundai delivery process that I experienced in Delhi but much much better than Maruti and chevrolet's pathetic process.

Now we took her straight to Fuel station and got the tank filled. At station my friend asked me to drive as he was not comfirtable with new vehicle on highway
He was really nervous as he stalled it twice when reversing.

So it is me on the steering of the new chick from Tata.

Wow is the feeling. Amazing plush feel of interior after driving Celerio.

Rest in another post... phone battery gone

 

[johnjeroneraj2000]

i have booked Expresso brown Petrol XZ model on 09.04.2014 but no proper information about delivery !