Tata Tigor (Kite-5) Compact Sedan Unveiled

[eigenvalue]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

Kite possibly uses 1050cc 3Cylinder DOHC 12Valves Direct Injection Common Rail (DICOR) engine Produces 65BHP Max Power and 140NM Max Torque but Still Power and torque figures are lower then Grand i10's 1.1L CRDI engine

A quick comparison
TATA Kite 1.0l, inline 3, 65ps, 140Nm
Chevrolet beat 1.0l, inline 3, 57.1ps@4000rpm, 142.5Nm@1750rpm
Hyundai grand i10 1.1l, inline 3, 71ps@4000rpm, 160Nm@1500-2750rpm
Please TATA we all know your technical abilities and understandings of engine design and tuning. All we want a better state of tune and reliable engine and you provide the best. But please do concentrate on gear box too and get rid off the TA65 gear box with a better gearbox capable of handling >140Nm Torque. The 1.2 Revotron is so so undertuned atleast in torque figures.

PS: TATA @2006 Delhi auto expo showcased a RWD 3.5l, 330hp v6 beast (hope the wiki page is true). Fear that didn't get a TA65 gearbox

 

[gaddambhargavareddy]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

We can't expect from tata a all new 5-speed gearbox unit but we may expect reworked version of TA65 F-Type gearbox because tata always wanted to use old parts to keep cost down its clearly evident in tata zest/Bolt Revotron1.2T

 

[kasscon]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

As i believe.. Bolt was a stop gap till the time they get new line of products and to take care of old/bad reputation in the market... Although didn't workout... Let's hope for the best

 

[gaddambhargavareddy]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

As i believe.. Bolt was a stop gap till the time they get new line of products and to take care of old/bad reputation in the market... Although didn't workout... Let's hope for the best

yes BOLT and ZEST is a temporarily patch up products from TATA after launch of TATA kite Siblings soon we can expect new products to replace bolt/zest

 

[eigenvalue]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

after launch of TATA kite Siblings soon we can expect new products to replace bolt/zest

I do opine otherwise. Bolt can be rebranded under a new sports brand name but the zest never. Considering the research pedigree it has got and the design nuances I recommend atleast to maintain the zest for the long term.
If you notice the technical aspects its evolving in zest means too. The first lot of zest customers got 140Nm @1750-3500 rpm but the later lot gets 140Nm @1500-4000rpm. I do encourage the TATA's plan for tuning the engine for betterment and proceed with the zest branding. Rebadge Bolt under a new sports branding similar to fiat punto to abarth punto. Moreover the refinement levels of the revotron gets improved. I do believe the zest platform with its design subtleties and technical sophistication would help TATA (if well planned and executed) in reclaiming the lost place in the sedan (my fault compact sedan) segment.

My take on next Revotron engine would be to add the following the to the existing engine
1. Direct injection
2. 4 valves per cylinder and DOHC.
If the revotron gets it can be impressive in the league of tsi, ecoboost and multiair.

 

[gaddambhargavareddy]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

I do opine otherwise. Bolt can be rebranded under a new sports brand name but the zest never. Considering the research pedigree it has got and the design nuances I recommend atleast to maintain the zest for the long term.
If you notice the technical aspects its evolving in zest means too. The first lot of zest customers got 140Nm @1750-3500 rpm but the later lot gets 140Nm @1500-4000rpm. I do encourage the TATA's plan for tuning the engine for betterment and proceed with the zest branding. Rebadge Bolt under a new sports branding similar to fiat punto to abarth punto. Moreover the refinement levels of the revotron gets improved. I do believe the zest platform with its design subtleties and technical sophistication would help TATA (if well planned and executed) in reclaiming the lost place in the sedan (my fault compact sedan) segment.

My take on next Revotron engine would be to add the following the to the existing engine
1. Direct injection
2. 4 valves per cylinder and DOHC.
If the revotron gets it can be impressive in the league of tsi, ecoboost and multiair.

TATA Zest will remain in market for long term thats for sure and also one thing we should consider that TATA ZEST will be a 2nd Generation Version of TATA Indigo CS atleast because zest is based on 2nd Generation Indigo manza

comming back to next Revotron Engine TATA All Ready Started Working On New Gen Petrol Motors its shown in TATA NEXON Concept this engine capable to Competite with EcoBoost and 1.2L TSI engines

Tata Motors register Zica and Sway names

Tata Motors has registered another set of names this time as per our sources. The two names registered are Sway and Zica. The meaning of sway isn’t hidden from all of us and one of the meanings is “To control”. Zica on the other hand means hypen, which could even mean extension. So, could Sway stand for the Kite hatchback and Zica as the compact sedan (as the hypenation of the hatchback?) It is still a bit early to come any conclusion for this. But yes it is confirmed that Tata Motors is looking at these two names for the Kite twins. We could consider this as a speculation. Our sources state that Glade might not be the name for any of the Kite twins. The Kite twins will be based on the Indica platform, however they will have several modifications on them for better driving dynamics. The Kite twins will be powered by a 1.2-litre petrol engine and a 1.05-litre three-cylinder diesel engine as well. The Zica and the Sway could be on the way, especially after Zest and Bolt. The diesel engine is likely to be one of the most fuel-efficient diesel engines in the country, but we cannot assure anything at the moment.

Source:Tata Motors register Zica and Sway names – MotorOctane

 

[kasscon]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

The revotron engine was itself a flaw as it was brought in time when other companies moving to aluminum for even diesel engines and tata introducing petrol engine with iron cast... It was surely a stop gap as they were not ready with aluminum one and used old xeta engine coupled with turbo... Same was with vista shell altered to bolt. The platform of vista has it's own flaws ie the waistline is very high and the best outcome could be a CUV means nexon. My two cents could differ from others.
And one more point Tata need to come up with better geerbox or new one to extract the best output out of iron cast revotron engine.

 

[eigenvalue]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

The revotron engine was itself a flaw as it was brought in time when other companies moving to aluminum for even diesel engines and tata introducing petrol engine with iron cast...

I differ here. Even the Ford's award winning ecoboost is a cast iron block for the info, and the term flaw is not the apt term for the revotron. The BMW N54 uses all aluminium with cast iron cylinders because the aluminium alloy block cannot take the design constraints The design elements or the manufacturing constraints and technical feasibility would have favoured TATA to go for cast iron block, who know? But to term a engine by its block is gross, and all a customer wants is a reliable, fuss free engine. If the revotron does that then its good. I know NA diesel engines are robust and strongly built when compared to NA petrol ones. When it comes to turbo charging, the design parameters do change invoking new variables so the same doesn't hold true always. If not for the TA65 gearbox, the revotron would have a torque limit atleast around 160Nm(my wild guess) for sure.

It was surely a stop gap

Agreed

Same was with vista shell altered to bolt. The platform of vista has it's own flaws ie the waistline is very high and the best outcome could be a CUV means nexon.My two cents could differ from others.

Looks are subjective and multi faceted. If you ask me the dzire has the ugliest boot integration but the market accepts it (consistent 18K per month sales). Common these days you design a hatch, extend it to a sedan and then to a muv (honda brio to amaze to mobilio). The bolt isn't that bad either, it still looks pleasing atleast to my eyes. Yup, the high waistline coupled with the raised up setup warrants for CUV.

And one more point Tata need to come up with better geerbox or new one to extract the best output out of iron cast revotron engine.

Resounding yes.

 

[kasscon]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

I agree with you however Ford ecoboost is a different technology all to gether as its a direct injection cdi unit and BMW N54 is relatively big and performance oriented engine.

As per the info from an insider (read it somewhere)that Tata is working and testing a new aluminium engine which would add in next generation of revotron series it seems like the current 1.2 revotron was just to bring something soon and readily to tap the petrol market. May be am wrong but this is my mind is pushing me towards.

One thing that keep me pressing that why Tata opted for mpfi and why only two valves per cylinder if they choose xeta block for regidity or the point made in earlier post by eigenvalue.

Anything which am not understanding or unaware of .. Any other possibility.

 

[kasscon]

Re: Spied! Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

Tata Kite sedan spotted up-close – Spied

Targets the lower variants of the Dzire and Amaze.
IAB reader Vishal sent in a couple of spyshots of the Tata Kite compact sedan, understood to be the successor to the Indigo eCS, on test in Ooty, Tamil Nadu.

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Based on a renovated Indica platform, an earlier report says that the Kite’s front-end design would have citations to the MegaPixel concept. Interior spyshots show the car getting a new dash with rectangular air vents, and white-backlit instrument cluster alongside a multi-information display.
Another report said last month that the Tata Kite hatchback could come with an e-clutch system that permits the driver to engage first gear without applying the clutch. The system which is comparatively cheaper than an AMT, will offer a 10 percent fuel economy gain over a manual. The same tech could be passed on to the sub-4m sedan.
The Kite sedan and hatch reportedly get the showcased but unused 1.05-litre, 3-cylinder diesel, and a 1.2-litre petrol engine. Power and torque for the former are claimed at 64 hp and 142 Nm, while gearbox options will include a 5-speed manual unit by default, and an optional automated manual transmission (AMT) borrowed from the ZEST

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The Kite twins will be made at the Tata Nano plant in Sanand, Gujarat, whose capacity utilization is set to finish below 20 percent for the financial year, as per one newspaper report. We expect the Kite to be in showrooms during the second half of the year.

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Here are the pics of toyota prius and my mind says tata glade-hatchback
Tata Boom-notchback sub 4mtr similar to prius
Tata Mobia-MPV/muv aub4mtr as seen in picture

 

[gaddambhargavareddy]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

As per the info from an insider (read it somewhere)that Tata is working and testing a new aluminium engine which would add in next generation of revotron series it seems like the current 1.2 revotron was just to bring something soon and readily to tap the petrol market. May be am wrong but this is my mind is pushing me towards.

Yes TATA Working on Next Generation series of Revotron engines in line first engine will be 1197cc 3Cylinder All Alluminium engine 12Valves DOHC engine thats also going to be used in upcomming tata kite

One thing that keep me pressing that why Tata opted for mpfi and why only two valves per cylinder if they choose xeta block for regidity or the point made in earlier post by eigenvalue.

Anything which am not understanding or unaware of .. Any other possibility.

Simple answer is that Production Cost will be very less because using this technology its readily available with tata motors in the form of XETA Engine

 

[navnit013]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

Oh c'mon, When was the last time metallurgy decided which car you bought!

Unless that metallurgy happens to be your wife.

 

[gaddambhargavareddy]

Re: Spied! Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

Here are the pics of toyota prius and my mind says tata glade-hatchback
Tata Boom-notchback sub 4mtr similar to prius
Tata Mobia-MPV/muv aub4mtr as seen in picture

TATA Mobia MPV(X107 Code named) will be based on X1-platform(zest platform) So i guess that front end looks of this mpv definitely looks similar to Zest looks

 

[vm2011]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

Tata Kite Sedan Spied All Around with Y-in-V alloy . Is it a notchback?





Source:ICB

 

[kasscon]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

Tata Kite Sedan Spied All Around with Y-in-V alloy . Is it a notchback?

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Source:ICB

As suggested by other websites Tata Motors registered three names- glade, boom and mobia.

Something is cooking in TML. May be a hatchback, a notch back and a Compact sedan.

Or tata is altogether entering into a new forray.. May be a compact station wagon which is not a station wagon not a notchback something in between :) lets see