Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV5OO - Which One To Choose?

[Superbad]

Ladder frame chasis = Improved structural strength=offroading possible=Real suv= STORME
Disadvantages of monoque structure:
1. Extremely fragile.

I cannot finish my emoticon limits per posts, so will ask you to give examples of fragility.

2. After accident the entire body needs to be changed as its part of chasis.while ladder on frame chasis design vehicles can just change the particular part and be happy.

Answer insurance claim.
I dont know what you give preference to.
Safety of the passengers or mendability of the vehicle you travel?

Advantages and disadvantages compared to unibody[edit]

Advantages[edit]
Easier to design, build and modify (less of an issue now that Computer-Assisted Design (CAD) is commonplace, but still an advantage for coach-built vehicles).
Quieter, because the stresses do not pass into the body, which is isolated from the frame with rubber pads around the attachment bolts. This is less significant now, but historically bodies would squeak and rattle more as they rusted, lubricants drained, and fasteners loosened. Isolated bodies were affected to a lesser degree by these modes of aging.
Easier to repair after accidents. This is crucial for taxicabs, because damaged bolt-on fenders can be replaced in the firm's own garage for petty cash, with the cab returned to earning status immediately, whereas a monocoque body would require straightening by paid specialists on a machine expensive to rent — with the cab laid up for repair longer. Grand-Am allows tubular spaceframe cars to replace their monocoque counterparts, as the cars can easily be repaired with new clips.
Can allow a manufacturer to easily subcontract portions of work, e.g. as when Austin subcontracted the aluminium body work of the Austin A40 Sports to Jensen Motors.


Disadvantages
Heavier than unibody, causing lower performance and/or higher fuel consumption.
Far less resistant to torsional flexing (flexing of the whole car in corners), compromising handling and road grip.
Lack of a crumple zone causes higher rate of death and serious injury (in some cars, but larger cars such as the Ford Crown Victoria are highly rated for safety). Some cars have adopted a "front clip" and "rear clip" format similar to what is used in NASCAR where the car is split into three sections, and the clips absorb the impact, allowing the "clip" to be replaced when repairing the car.

Body-on-frame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To be very frank i never would categorise xuv in suv category as it does no have the capablity of offroading.

The question comes into picture when one buys the 4 X4. the 4 X4 with its price tag is not vfm , so i doubt even a quarter of storme sales are for 4 x4.

Maybe the saying is true for the storme " A true explorer at heart this powerful beast runs free refusing to show mercy to any terrain"

 

[jarpickle]

For those who do not think monocoques are not good offroaders look at the big daddy of roading the Range Rover.

If you damage a frame don't think they come cheap either and you still have to repair the body to mate it to the frame.

 

[manojodungat]

To be very frank i never would categorise xuv in suv category as it does no have the capablity of offroading.
Maybe the saying is true for the storme " A true explorer at heart this powerful beast runs free refusing to show mercy to any terrain"

^^Stormer, In my opinion XUV is never categorized as SUV and it is a Crossover and Storme is a true SUV and not a Crossover !! So off roading capabilities of XUV are limited

One is an AWD "on demand" [as in XUV 5OO] and the other one is a part time 4WD [ Storme VX 4x4] if I am right.

If you are into offroad adventures, you should be going nuts if you go on to choose and buy an XUV.

AWD vehicles are meant to be driven on paved roads and are not meant for serious off-road adventures as far as I am concerned. AWD is a safety feature which gets applied as and when the situation demands while driving, getting you out of tricky situations which call for more traction and grip.


BTW, would you dare to take your Storme 4x2 on to any offroad track ?

 

[raj_5004]

Ladder frame chasis = Improved structural strength=offroading possible=Real suv= STORME
Disadvantages of monoque structure:
1. Extremely fragile.
2. After accident the entire body needs to be changed as its part of chasis.while ladder on frame chasis design vehicles can just change the particular part and be happy.

To be very frank i never would categorise xuv in suv category as it does no have the capablity of offroading.

Maybe the saying is true for the storme " A true explorer at heart this powerful beast runs free refusing to show mercy to any terrain"

Dear Stormer, I would suggest you do some research before posting such tall claims. The two points mentioned above is utter rubbish, if I put it politely.

Nobody here has claimed that XUV is an off-roader, so what are you trying to prove?

Finally, if you are the so called true explorer, why dint you buy a 4x4? Sorry to say, even your Storme is just another UV meant for good roads and capable of going over some bad roads, like the XUV 4x2!

I understand your love for your car, but try not to get carried away or be blinded from facts. Also, don't twist the reality to prove a point because most TAI'ns are technically sound.

BTW, would you dare to take your Storme 4x2 on to any offroad track ?

I bet he would say a Storme 4x2 is a terrain killer.

 

[DJ bro]

Everyone chooses their car according to their needs.
I would prefer monocoques over ladder frame cars as I am not into off-roading!
At the same time it is not necessary that all unibody cars are fragile! It depends on the materials and construction strength.
One may get some examples of even Ladder frame cars that are weak!
But they are heavy, bulky and space consuming constructions.
But here, I would not consider either of these cars even if I had the budget because both are "not so good products"!

 

[Gurrala74]

There no wonder when Raj say that xuv can take any kind of abuse, BUT
I can guarantee you that storme 4x2 can go offroad in a very good way.
Forget about facts on paper friends, just experience it in real, you will agree

 

[singh890]

I have completed 21500 kms on my XUV and let me make certain things clear based on the actual experience. And this is not based on no. of TD's or driving a friends XUV or so. It's purely 22000 kms ownership experience.

1. Ride Quality is not bumpy but yes you feel the undulations and potholes and as we all know this is due to the stiffer suspension. So no doubt here.
2. I have cut lanes on high speeds and taken corners and always had that confidence in the car. And the handling is way better than the Storme and infact Fortuner. Why i said that because i drove all 3 of them on the same patch. (NCR guys might know the route that goes from Faridabad to Gurgaon, kinda mountain one that has a toll tax). Not trying to bash Storme or Fortuner just putting a simple fact.
3. Now talking about the third row, we did a trip to Udaipur and my mother was sitting in the last row and for good 400 kms. She is about 5'8 - 5'9. And she didn't had any complains.
4. I have driven XUV on really bad to no roads and never felt that it can only serve as soft roader. Have crossed dry rivers and rivers with water, almost the height of the tires. So i don't think that Storme 4*2 has a huge benefit over XUV W8. As Gurrala said experience it for real.

Rest will post a detail report on my ownership thread soon @ 20000 KMS.

 

[singh890]

Ohh forgot to add this pic.

This is what XUV can hold with 6 people on board without a roof carrier.

3 Large size suitcase, 7 bags, 2 laptop bags and some loose stuff on the sides.

 

[raj_5004]

There no wonder when Raj say that xuv can take any kind of abuse, BUT
I can guarantee you that storme 4x2 can go offroad in a very good way.

Please point out with some links as when I have said that XUV can take any kind of abuse.

Lets agree to disagree, but I dont think Storme 4x2 is a good off roader. It is as competent or incompetent as the XUV 4x2. Maybe it will have a slight advantage due to the higher front bumpers!

Again, the term "good offroading" is subjective.

Ohh forgot to add this pic.

This is what XUV can hold with 6 people on board without a roof carrier.

3 Large size suitcase, 7 bags, 2 laptop bags and some loose stuff on the sides.

Is that with the entire 3rd row upright? How did you manage that?

4. I have driven XUV on really bad to no roads and never felt that it can only serve as soft roader. Have crossed dry rivers and rivers with water, almost the height of the tires. So i don't think that Storme 4*2 has a huge benefit over XUV W8. As Gurrala said experience it for real.

Waiting for the update and lots of pics!

 

[raj_5004]

When I went to G3 this time, I managed to get prices of XUV's spares. I made an excel sheet for a quick comparo of the Storme and the XUV.

Spare prices of Storme has been taken from tornado's posts in this very thread.



As you can see, the difference is next to negligible. 'Storme 2' denotes different prices of those spares in different posts.

XUV's clutch assembly is really expensive when compared to Storme, else it would have been significantly cheaper than the Storme, as shown in the rightmost two columns where clutch prices have been removed.

 

[stormer]

Dear Stormer, I would suggest you do some research before posting such tall claims. The two points mentioned above is utter rubbish, if I put it politely.

Nobody here has claimed that XUV is an off-roader, so what are you trying to prove?

Finally, if you are the so called true explorer, why dint you buy a 4x4? Sorry to say, even your Storme is just another UV meant for good roads and capable of going over some bad roads, like the XUV 4x2!

I understand your love for your car, but try not to get carried away or be blinded from facts. Also, don't twist the reality to prove a point because most TAI'ns are technically sound.



I bet he would say a Storme 4x2 is a terrain killer.

Well if i say one wants to buy an "suv" then surely the storme is what is meant to have a true suv image.Xuv as said earlier is a crossover.
And if talking about crossover i would prefer the Aria over the xuv any day.
Talking about strome 4×2 over xuv 4×2 ... i can anytime say the storme would handle much harder terrain than the xuv.
I would laugh when anyone tells me i bought an suv called Xuv !!!

When I went to G3 this time, I managed to get prices of XUV's spares. I made an excel sheet for a quick comparo of the Storme and the XUV.

Spare prices of Storme has been taken from tornado's posts in this very thread.

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As you can see, the difference is next to negligible. 'Storme 2' denotes different prices of those spares in different posts.

XUV's clutch assembly is really expensive when compared to Storme, else it would have been significantly cheaper than the Storme, as shown in the rightmost two columns where clutch prices have been removed.

Xuvs clutch assembly is expensive than storme and unfortunately its the xuvs clutch that has given the maximum niggles reported!!

 

[swift&furious]

The fun part here is when some XUV owners tell that XUV500 is an SUV, an SUV is meant to take terrains and it needs a body to take terrains leaving aside the engine specs, a powerful engine alone with mixed looks of an SUV cannot take all terrains and cannot be called an SUV, if XUV is a SUV then so is TATA Aria

Might be XUV can manage certain terrains but it would never make it an SUV, i do know a person who owns a crusher quarry and uses his SX4 for those terrains daily, these tracks and roads are not meant for sedan but for Tippers and other rough pick up vehicles, he is been using it for a longtime as far as i know, though he never faced any problems apart from some rattles it doesn't make SX4 an SUV, its a Sedan, Just a perfect Sedan

 

[TSIVipul]

Ladder frame chasis = Improved structural strength=offroading possible=Real suv= STORME
Disadvantages of monoque structure:
1. Extremely fragile.
2. After accident the entire body needs to be changed as its part of chasis.while ladder on frame chasis design vehicles can just change the particular part and be happy.

Just one line that says it all:
RANGE ROVER IS A MONOCOQUE...
Going by these words, te world's most capable(maybe amongst most capable SUVs) is not an SUV, it is fragile and Storme is better that it in terms of off road use.

 

[DJ bro]

Not quite...
any day a ladder frame car will be better off road than monocoques.
If you remove all the gadgetry and off road hardwares from the Range rover except the transfer case and 4WD system, it will not be half as capable as the Storme. It's all those gadgetry and hardware systems that makes the Range Rover the king off road!

 

[raj_5004]

Well if i say one wants to buy an "suv" then surely the storme is what is meant to have a true suv image.Xuv as said earlier is a crossover.

Correct. For people who "need a SUV image", Storme is a better option.

And if talking about crossover i would prefer the Aria over the xuv any day.

That's okay, it your personal choice.

Talking about strome 4×2 over xuv 4×2 ... i can anytime say the storme would handle much harder terrain than the xuv.

Depends. I would agree to some extent but then I dont think the Storme has a HUGE advantage.

Xuvs clutch assembly is expensive than storme and unfortunately its the xuvs clutch that has given the maximum niggles reported!!

The earlier clutch had a tendency to malfunction and if you cared to read more reviews online, all these clutches have been replaced in warranty with zero bill to customer.

Just for argument's sake, even with the expensive clutch, the XUV's spares cost the same as the Storme!

Not quite...
any day a ladder frame car will be better off road than monocoques.
If you remove all the gadgetry and off road hardwares from the Range rover except the transfer case and 4WD system, it will not be half as capable as the Storme. It's all those gadgetry and hardware systems that makes the Range Rover the king off road!

First of all,

The Storme 4x2 and the XUV are not off roaders. So why should I live with a bulky, heavy and less safe LOF chassis over a monocoque construction? If I wanted a perfect off roader, I would go for a Gurkha, MM jeeps or Gypsy, not a Storme. Atleast the mono constructions offers better safety and handing.

Secondly, you may want to read this article -

Separate chassis redundant: Land Rover |*CarAdvice