Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV5OO - Which One To Choose?

[manojodungat]

Can anyone explain me the reason of why it has been observed that past some months that the xuv is selling less every month since jan 2013 ?

Almost all vehicles in the 14+ Lakh price bracket have suffered from poor sales last month, not just XUV but the likes of super reliable T.Innova and T.Fortuner too.

After all the excitement and initial hyper-response dies down, over a period, every new but successful vehicle is expected to settle down to a consistent number. For a vehicle costing 14+ Lakh, anything around 2500/month isn't bad at all, IMHO. But if it continues to freefall to say anything less than 1000 like that of Storme+ Safari, it becomes an area of concern.

Since this thread is about XUV vs Storme, April sales of both of them were declined equally by 29.3% [MoM]. But it is still XUV which outsells Storme by a big margin [2253 against just 762].


I am tempted to start a new thread- "Why does the age old Scorpio continue to sell in thousands where as the new entry, the real SUV Storme struggle to take off ?".
But will not.
Thanks,we have had enough.

 

[Raja]

storme sales have been allways in range of 1200 plus minus . This month its more down . For free fall one needs to sell more in the first place .
Since you brought tfort why has been rexton sales being steady ? or we need to wait another 3-4 months to see the trend ?
So all the 4000 plus sales before for the xuv had some percentage of hype ? And now it is being settled in a modest range ? Or is just a couple of months which went not so good for it ?
Off topic - btw I drove the rexton 2 days back superb ride quality and features and overall a very good SUV , hope many people buy it . Still don't understand why t-fort outsells it inspite of being a featureless car compared to rexton , and having not so good ride and comfort . I was thinking of starting a thread about that but like you rightly said we had enough of them already .

 

[Superbad]

Really ? You were told umpteen times because most of the time it used to be complete off topic discussions from you regarding Scorpio and It was specially told to you umpteen times not to others who did bought Scorpio in discussion in a meaning full way .

Now since you have presented you speculated theory ( again its not me who is saying its a soeculated theory , its admited and posted by you ) that budget rules has affected the sales of xuv , my question was why have the rules not affected Scorpio which has steady sales .
If you can't answer its fine .

i can very well answer it but i do not want to in this thread for the sake of request put in by the higher authorities.

 

[manojodungat]

storme sales have been allways in range of 1200 plus minus . This month its more down . For free fall one needs to sell more in the first place .

That is where the MoM% becomes more useful which is same for both XUV and Storme. Why Storme didn't sell as many as XUV did/does is the lack of freshness and innovation for a 2013 launch.

Since you brought tfort why has been rexton sales being steady ? or we need to wait another 3-4 months to see the trend ?

OT
Rexton too had a drop in its sales in April.[-23.7% MoM].
As I said earlier most of the vehicles had a bad month in terms of sales including Duster.
Lets wait for a couple of more months and see where does the sales stand.

So all the 4000 plus sales before for the xuv had some percentage of hype ? And now it is being settled in a modest range ? Or is just a couple of months which went not so good for it ?

Not at all. A fantastic and contemporary vehicle launched at a mouth watering price bracket gave XUV a great VFM benefit thus found as many as 4000s/month initially.
My question is do you think, at present, in India we have a market potential for consistently pulling 4000s/month for a 15+Lakh vehicle with so many vehicles getting launched these days?

 

[Raja]

manojodungat;286279]That is where the MoM% becomes more useful which is same for both XUV and Storme. Why Storme didn't sell as many as XUV did/does is the lack of freshness and innovation for a 2013 launch.

it has all the freshness its also a nice refined car , compared to xuv what it lacks is a feature list .

Rexton too had a drop in its sales in April.[-23.7% MoM].
As I said earlier most of the vehicles had a bad month in terms of sales including Duster.
Lets wait for a couple of more months and see where does the sales stand.

The reason I asked shall we wait for couple of more months to see a trend .

Not at all. A fantastic and contemporary vehicle launched at a mouth watering price bracket gave XUV a great VFM benefit thus found as many as 4000s/month initially.

+100 .

My question is do you think, at present, in India we have a market potential for consistently pulling 4000s/month for a 15+Lakh vehicle with so many vehicles getting launched these days?

Why not . have you checked the Innova sales for past 2 years ?

 

[manojodungat]

Why not . have you checked the Innova sales for past 2 years ?

OT
How many variants of Innova cost 15+ Lakh? Majority of Innovas I see around are either E or G variants both private and as Taxi cabs which are base models, which I guess contribute to bulk of its sales.
Lets stop going further OT here.

 

[Raja]

OT
How many variants of Innova cost 15+ Lakh? Majority of Innovas I see around are either E or G variants both private and as Taxi cabs which are base models, which I guess contribute to bulk of its sales.
Lets stop going further OT here.

. I would say Scorpio sales more in numbers because all I have seen "mostly "are ex models used as taxis which cost less then 9 lakhs on road how can we compare it with storme which starts from 12 lakhs on road ?
And yes we are going off topic here .

 

[Superbad]

. I would say Scorpio sales more in numbers because all I have seen "mostly "are ex models used as taxis which cost less then 9 lakhs on road how can we compare it with storme which starts from 12 lakhs on road ?
And yes we are going off topic here .

one sells due to taxis, other sells due to herds.
And the least successful are the only one bought by real customers .

 

[jagrover]

@raja
regarding rexton, sangyong is a newer brand whereas toyota needs no explanation. Also sales network is also a concern. No doubt rexton sales will improve.

 

[Raja]

one sells due to taxis, other sells due to herds.
And the least successful are the only one bought by real customers .

Why what happened bro ? As Manoj has mostly observed lower variants of Innova which he thinks contribute to its bulk sales , why can't I observe mostly " ex "taxi models of Scorpio and think they contribute to majority of it sales . ?

@ jagrover - if iam not mistaken rexton is serviced by mahindra in their own service facility and mahindra has a very good a.s.s network .

 

[raj_5004]

Relax guys...

I second "manojodungat" on the reason why sales of XUV has declined.

I too feel that it is revised budget about the SUVs which has shown it's impact. I feel so because, like Manoj mentioned, not just the XUV but all the SUVs like Storme, Innova, Rexton, Fortuner, etc. has taken a hit. If one car takes a hit, we can attribute that to something to do with that car but here, the entire segment has taken a beating.

Also, point to be noted is that, XUV's sales has been declining for the past 4-5 months I believe, not just after the budget. So there are some other reasons too, which I feel are:

1) Word of mouth "negative" publicity about niggles
2) Recent recall alerting prospective buyers

Now, if you ask me - why Scorpio did not take a beating? I have no answer. Maybe because the vehicle is that popular in the segment that inspite of the price hike, people still want to buy it. Or else, with the XUV's price hike, it has been out of reach for many prospective buyers and they are now opting for the Scorpio instead.

Coming to the topic of this thread - as Manoj mentioned, both the XUV as well as the Storme fell by an equal 29.3%. Not to forget, the XUV costs more than the Storme. Secondly, the figure of 762 is a combined figure of Safari and the Storme. So the individual sales of the Storme is anybody's wild guess. Comparatively, the XUV sells 2253 units.

Yes, there is a big difference: earlier the XUV used to sell 4 times as much as the Safari + Storme, now it sells 3 times as much.

 

[Superbad]

Why what happened bro ? As Manoj has mostly observed lower variants of Innova which he thinks contribute to its bulk sales , why can't I observe mostly " ex "taxi models of Scorpio and think they contribute to majority of it sales . ?

Does that mean posting our observation means we are trolling ?

And what this logic of yours concerning the cramped third row of xuv called ? Does it qualify as trolling or selfless love for a brand ?



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you are beating a dead horse already. That is trolling.

You expect an crossover to be designed as a people mover, you will be disappointed.

People movers are expected to provide better space and comfort to all the seats.

A sporty version does have extra seats but not all seats are comfortable.
I applied that same logic and applied it to the storme.
That logic held true.
You can call it whatever you want ,those are your observations.

I call this topic stretching for No apparent reason and hence trolling.

 

[Raja]

Relax guys...


Also, point to be noted is that, XUV's sales has been declining for the past 4-5 months I believe, not just after the budget. So there are some other reasons too, which I feel are:

1) Word of mouth "negative" publicity about niggles
2) Recent recall alerting prospective buyers

Now, if you ask me - why Scorpio did not take a beating? I have no answer. Maybe because the vehicle is that popular in the segment that inspite of the price hike, people still want to buy it. Or else, with the XUV's price hike, it has been out of reach for many prospective buyers and they are now opting for the Scorpio instead.


Yes, there is a big difference: earlier the XUV used to sell 4 times as much as the Safari + Storme, now it sells 3 times as much.

Honest to god I knew you will come up with a logical , sensible and honest answer and observation . And not something just to defend a brand which you own like some do .

Just one thing its just not the xuv which has attracted a price hike the Scorpio also attracted the same so the after the price increase on both the net price difference remains the same as before .


Just for academic purpose lets observe the trend for more months concerning the sales figures .

@ Superbad - exactly like you , I prefer calling your observations as extremely high class trolling . We can move on for global peace .

 

[raj_5004]

Just one thing its just not the xuv which has attracted a price hike the Scorpio also attracted the same so the after the price increase on both the net price difference remains the same as before .

Valid point.

But think about a person who could just about afford the XUV W6 after stretching his budget. After the price hike, he MAY buy the Scorpio VLX or SLE. Yes, the price of Scorpio has increased, but then he can always buy the lower variants of the Scorpio, if not the top end. He has the option to go for a Scorpio, but no chance to buy the XUV, that is what I meant.

 

[Raja]

Valid point.

But think about a person who could just about afford the XUV W6 after stretching his budget. After the price hike, he MAY buy the Scorpio VLX or SLE. Yes, the price of Scorpio has increased, but then he can always buy the lower variants of the Scorpio, if not the top end. He has the option to go for a Scorpio, but no chance to buy the XUV, that is what I meant.

Well yes and by this the Indian govt of India with their weird rules have shattered dreams of owning a SUV for many be it a xuv or storme or Scorpio .