Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV5OO - Which One To Choose?

[navnit013]

As vipul said, roll has nothing to do with the type of construction. Monocoque has a better tortional rigidity, in simple words - is more resistant to twisting effect (mainly felt during cornering).

BUT then stiff chassis alone doesnt make a crisp handler. Damping ratio, rebound settings, suspension geomerty, steering geometry, track to wheelbase ratio etc should be spot on. Sadly neither TATA, nor Mahindra have mastered that. They are close though.

 

[Raja]

People who love sales figures .

Xuv500 - 2253.

Safari/ storme -762

Sales figures in my personal opinion don't completely reveal the capabilities of the car in question . There are some who belive if a car sales consistently great it has to be a great car for sure .
Can anyone explain me the reason of why it has been observed that past some months that the xuv is selling less every month since jan 2013 ?

Xuv sales

Jan 2013- 3721

Feb 2013 -3472 ( -249)


March 2013 -3187 (-285)

April 2013 -2253 ( - 934 )

In April 2012 the same xuv sales figures were -3403 . So year on year basis its minus 1150 units .


What can be the reason ? Word of mouth publicity of niggles ? Or is there something else ?

 

[msjawahar]

What can be the reason ? Word of mouth publicity of niggles ? Or is there something else ?

can be 'Word of mouth publicity of niggles ' too. cos one of my friends had cancelled his XUV and went for Innova by hearing the niggles stories. i think the brake issue is still there in the new XUV. can any one show some light on this

 

[Superbad]

People who love sales figures .

Xuv500 - 2253.

Safari/ storme -762

Sales figures in my personal opinion don't completely reveal the capabilities of the car in question . There are some who belive if a car sales consistently great it has to be a great car for sure .
Can anyone explain me the reason of why it has been observed that past some months that the xuv is selling less every month since jan 2013 ?

Xuv sales

Jan 2013- 3721

Feb 2013 -3472 ( -249)


March 2013 -3187 (-285)

April 2013 -2253 ( - 934 )

In April 2012 the same xuv sales figures were -3403 . So year on year basis its minus 1150 units .


What can be the reason ? Word of mouth publicity of niggles ? Or is there something else ?

as far as i know there is a consensus over here that the storme has No niggles. Yet it reached a number of 762.
Similarly the another reliable workhorse from the "T" badge has its number going down to 3.9k which otherwise was in the higher 5k / month.

It is not the niggles but the budget rules which has shown its impact on the segment.
For M& M it could be the strike too which might have had added supply constraints.

The duster due to the workaround of 1.5l engine gets away with new budget rules.

 

[Raja]

as far as i know there is a consensus over here that the storme has No niggles. Yet it reached a number of 762.
Similarly the another reliable workhorse from the "T" badge has its number going down to 3.9k which otherwise was in the higher 5k / month.

It is not the niggles but the budget rules which has shown its impact on the segment.
For M& M it could be the strike too which might have had added supply constraints.

The duster due to the workaround of 1.5l engine gets away with new budget rules.

And why is rexton, Scorpio having steady and healthy sales figures ? Has the rexton not affected and what about Scorpio what happened to it? .
as far as i know the scorpio has a 2.2 engine right ? or did mahindra launch it with a 1.5 engine ? Why is it having steady sales ? Has the budget rules excluded Scorpio , bolero, rexton and has only targeted xuv ?

 

[Superbad]

And why is rexton, Scorpio having steady and healthy sales figures ? Has the rexton not affected and what about Scorpio what happened to it? .
as far as i know the scorpio has a 2.2 engine right ? or did mahindra launch it with a 1.5 engine ? Why is it having steady sales ? Has the budget rules excluded Scorpio , bolero, rexton and has only targeted xuv ?

i have been requested to not talk about the scorpio.

But since requested, i have an excuse now.

scorpio is not made in the chakan plant where xuv is made.
The strike happened in chakan.
Hence the outcome.
Rexton is not a product which sells in thousands,so any effect would have been covered.

P. S : i am not a M & M official. &hence everything mentioned above is speculation.

 

[Raja]

i have been requested to not talk about the scorpio.

But since requested, i have an excuse now.

scorpio is not made in the chakan plant where xuv is made.
The strike happened in chakan.
Hence the outcome.
Rexton is not a product which sells in thousands,so any effect would have been covered.

P. S : i am not a M & M official. &hence everything mentioned above is speculation.

Its better to admit " I don't know the reason " instead of speculating things . Confirmed 2 days back strike or no strike there is no waiting period for xuv , and you can get it anytime as soon as your formalities are completed .

 

[Superbad]

Its better to admit " I don't know the reason " instead of speculating things . Confirmed 2 days back strike or no strike there is no waiting period for xuv , and you can get it anytime as soon as your formalities are completed .

so if niggles is the reason , are you suggesting storme is filled with niggles and hence the 762 number?

 

[Raja]

so if niggles is the reason , are you suggesting storme is filled with niggles and hence the 762 number?

Did I say niggles is the reason ? I just asked a question can that be a reason for low sales of xuv ? Actually iam not suggesting or speculating anything its just your creative mind which is at work .

Regarding niggles in xuv well it is no secret , have you come across any niggles in storme if yes can you enlight us ?

 

[Superbad]

Did I say niggles is the reason ? I just asked a question can that be a reason for low sales of xuv ? Actually iam not suggesting or speculating anything its just your creative mind which is at work .

creative huh?

So No extra taxes were levied on SUVs?
Chakan plant did not have a strike,
Where Xuvs are made?


Am i in dubai?

Yes it is the work of my creative mind

 

[Raja]

Superbad;286227]

So No extra taxes were levied on SUVs?
Chakan plant did not have a strike,
Where Xuvs are made?

Are you sure this are the reasons? be firm because by the end you say its just what you are speculating .
and my question is how did the budget rules dint effect Scorpio sales and when did the strike happen which month and how long ? Dealers have enough stock of xuvs with them btw .

Am i in dubai?

Well you know where you are in borivili or dubai . Or you are asking me to guess ?

Yes it is the work of my creative mind

Ofcourse it is , specially when you posted this when I have not suggested or speculated anything .

so if niggles is the reason , are you suggesting storme is filled with niggles and hence the 762 number?

 

[Superbad]

Are you sure this are the reasons? be firm because by the end you say its just what you are speculating .
and my question is how did the budget rules dint effect Scorpio sales and when did the strike happen which month and how long ? Dealers have enough stock of xuvs with them btw .

you can check newspapers archives for the month of april to get documented proof of the strike.

Dealers having enough stock is the update for may.
How can one infer today from the condition Then?

Innova and many other UVs in the 10+L bracket felt the heat. This is again documented in sales report.

Ofcourse it is , specially when you posted this when I have not suggested or speculated anything .

Then read the quoted text

What can be the reason ? Word of mouth publicity of niggles ? Or is there something else ?

 

[Raja]

you can check newspapers archives for the month of april to get documented proof of the strike.

Dealers having enough stock is the update for may.
How can one infer today from the condition Then?

Innova and many other UVs in the 10+L bracket felt the heat. This is again documented in sales report.
Then read the quoted text

Why is Scorpio not facing the heat of budget rules or does it come in some special segment for you ? And Dealers are having enough stock since last December 2012 .

And asking a question and speculating are 2 different things right ? By your own admission you were speculating read the quoted text

i
P. S : i am not a M & M official. &hence everything mentioned above is speculation.

 

[Superbad]

I have been told umpteen to not talk about the scorpio.
I remember from yourself and many others.

So why bend the rule now?

 

[Raja]

I have been told umpteen to not talk about the scorpio.
I remember from yourself and many others.

So why bend the rule now?

Really ? You were told umpteen times because most of the time it used to be complete off topic discussions from you regarding Scorpio and It was specially told to you umpteen times not to others who did bought Scorpio in discussion in a meaning full way .

Now since you have presented you speculated theory ( again its not me who is saying its a soeculated theory , its admited and posted by you ) that budget rules has affected the sales of xuv , my question was why have the rules not affected Scorpio which has steady sales .
If you can't answer its fine .