Tata Safari Storme Vs Rest of the Competition

[Superbad]

Low revs xuv is responsive and has more features,other then that there is nothing great in xuv compared to storme . Ridequality storme is miles ahead then xuv and even a fortuner

you cannot say that based on ride quality on low speeds alone.

oh oh oh oh hold on bro, I was not talking about the torque delivered by engine but was trying to explain why we feel low bottom end torque in safari with initial RPM, if the initial RPM steady the output torque delivered my the vehicle is also steady, as weight of the car increases most of the torque spend for inertial pull of car, this is what i know, but here According to you mahindra cars torque increases linearly as number of passengers increase
looks like Mahindra engineers redefined PHYSICS.
Coming to your point 7 people in XUV and only driver STORME logic is looks so pathetic, Dicor engine is not that under powered as 1998 TDI Safari.
Next time if you want to pull this point please respond with video demonstration your scenario with STORME AND XUV head to head please dont bring toyota there.

I prefer to be numb for rest of your comments as it going to start argument.
To conclude our discussion(sunday is over), we take these things as our own feelings and experience, If i have money i go according to my desires and its same with you.
as i felt Storme is not that under powered as you projecting

i dont know but it seems you hate M &M and hence cannot think objectively to bring in things in comparison

 

[TSIVipul]

Thanks dear for answering all my questions patiently.Now the difference between Storme and XUV is becoming more apparent,thanks to your inputs.BTW,if the trailer is so good then the whole movie whenever it comes will rock,I presume.Bring it up fast buddy,we are waiting.

Welcome my buddy, since I am quite out of time hence it will take me a couple of days to draw a part of the picture, which I'll complete after TDing the Storme at least once or twice more. I don't know if it will rock or not, but one thing for sure, you can expect it to be completely unbiased and true to my knowledge at least.

Is Storme ride quality better than Duster?

Se buddy, low speed ride of Safari was never the class leading and no exception is made here, but it's at good speeds(Any speed above 70-80 kph) that Safari starts showing it's real character and I am doubtful if any other car(Except Aria with it's exceptional high speed ride) is having a high speed ride, especially the straight line stability and overall ride comfort better than Safari and with the Storme, Tata has raised the benchmark even higher.

Looks like it turned out be an argument so i dont want to go deep in to your post, let me highlight few point where misunderstanding is clotted, now let it bleed. If you dont own any SUV then no problem reason behind my question was to know your SUV passion, at this point you became emotional so sorry for my question..

Do you mean that any person who doesn't own an SUV is not as much passionate about SUVs as the owners are?
Don't worry, I don't get emotional or angry on such small things.

Stop pulling my leg, i never said weight of the vehicle is directly proportional to its built quality, i don't know where you picked it, I took this weight issue to clear the fact that STORME is heavy and it pulls slowly upto some RPM compared to XUV ok fine. don't bash me again thank you.

And my point was simple, even when XUV also weighs same as Storme, then also it pulls with more urgency than the Storme, I guess you haven't got me.

oh oh oh oh hold on bro, I was not talking about the torque delivered by engine but was trying to explain why we feel low bottom end torque in safari with initial RPM, if the initial RPM steady the output torque delivered my the vehicle is also steady, as weight of the car increases most of the torque spend for inertial pull of car, this is what i know, but here According to you mahindra cars torque increases linearly as number of passengers increase
looks like Mahindra engineers redefined PHYSICS.

Who the hell said that? What I said is:
Torque delivered by an engine is dependent on the RPM not the weight the engine is pulling/pushing and with a better torque delivery at lower revs, the XUV pulls better even if the weight the engine is pulling is more than what the 2.2 vtt Dicor is doing. And what you thought is "Vipul mean, torque increases with weight being pulled".
Eh, I can't help you here because you have already risen above my thinking capabilities.

Coming to your point 7 people in XUV and only driver STORME logic is looks so pathetic, Dicor engine is not that under powered as 1998 TDI Safari.
Next time if you want to pull this point please respond with video demonstration your scenario with STORME AND XUV head to head please dont bring toyota there.

Buddy I won't insult the Toyota(Fortuner, Innova does not deserve to be in this compro) by bringing it here, so you can be happy.
Neither I have time to make videos nor I am getting an urge to shoot videos just to explain you my point. Rest let me now explain my point directly:
Power to weight ratio means "Ratio between power and weight". Now if you increase the weight being pulled by the engine, then the power to weight ratio changes. Same way, a Safari with 140 bhp and 2100 kgs will have same power to weight ratio as an XUV with 140 bhp and net weight being pulled by engine is 2100 kgs(this can be attained by carrying passengers). but thanks to the torque spread and gearbox settings that XUV with same power to weight ratio as of Safari is still quicker off the line or in gears.

I prefer to be numb for rest of your comments as it going to start argument.
To conclude our discussion(sunday is over), we take these things as our own feelings and experience, If i have money i go according to my desires and its same with you.
as i felt Storme is not that under powered as you projecting

I never said Storme is underpowered, but yes I never said that Storme can perform better than XUV!!


@Chosenone:
Neither I own Tata nor I own Mahindra..but still I am here. What you have to say about me then?

 

[tdcarlover]

Dear Xover and other TAI stalwarts,
Why cant we do an extensive actual comparoe of the XUV and Storme?
Get both cars, TD &photographs them together and then let the readers decide?
Some say that both engines we actually developed from the same source in ? Austria and are not that different??-perhaps my information is wrong?

 

[Superbad]

Dear Xover and other TAI stalwarts,
Why cant we do an extensive actual comparoe of the XUV and Storme?
Get both cars, TD &photographs them together and then let the readers decide?
Some say that both engines we actually developed from the same source in ? Austria and are not that different??-perhaps my information is wrong?

the designing was helped by MVL austria which had designed the mhawk and the vtt.

but then the other components and the actual manufacturing is done by tata and M &M with delphi as their component supplier for tata and bosch for mahindra.

so even though they might be the same their tuning and other components differ.

 

[MrRanger]

i dont know but it seems you hate M &M and hence cannot think objectively to bring in things in comparison

I never said any bad about MnM i didn't even said XUV is poor, all i said was STORME is good, So according to you if some one appreciate TATA STORME means he hates M&M. ?????? please look back

keep this things aside just tell me do you agree with me for bellow comment.
Now a days people who doesn't even own any of these cars and doesn't even experienced the car, actually never paid for its service/maintenance are pretending to be a masters, they are even suggesting some car to someone.(tough I yet to experience STORME as a owner(very soon) but experienced its previous gen safari and even Scorpio for plenty of times)
What do you think a advice from the guy who did 1000s of miles journey with the car or the guy who spend hours in internet

 

[raj_5004]

Man do you want me to teach you what is SUV what is MUV/sedan etc ?????

No, thank you. I think I learnt about it way back in my graduation. Appreciate you kindness though.

SUMO is an MUV basically built for taxicabs when SUMO was launched it was an blockbuster, why are you comparing scorpio with SUMO

Sumo was bought into picture since you said the Scorpio sells only because it is cheap. I was not comparing the Scorpio and Sumo.

Even if you put my words in different perspective the truth remains same, down south is not a country side man,

Errr.. I know. I am a south Indian too.

BTW M&M is poor in finding market segments they wait for TATA to create new market segment in india and then they work around on the product and keep its price less and sells, I agree with you,

Isnt that good? Wait for your competitor to explore a market segment, let it flop, see what went wrong and why, perfect that in your own product and then launch it to be blockbuster!

 

[MrRanger]

Welcome my buddy, since I am quite out of time hence it will take me a couple of days to draw a part of the picture, which I'll complete after TDing the Storme at least once or twice more. I don't know if it will rock or not, but one thing for sure, you can expect it to be completely unbiased and true to my knowledge at least.


Se buddy, low speed ride of Safari was never the class leading and no exception is made here, but it's at good speeds(Any speed above 70-80 kph) that Safari starts showing it's real character and I am doubtful if any other car(Except Aria with it's exceptional high speed ride) is having a high speed ride, especially the straight line stability and overall ride comfort better than Safari and with the Storme, Tata has raised the benchmark even higher.


Do you mean that any person who doesn't own an SUV is not as much passionate about SUVs as the owners are?
Don't worry, I don't get emotional or angry on such small things.


And my point was simple, even when XUV also weighs same as Storme, then also it pulls with more urgency than the Storme, I guess you haven't got me.


Who the hell said that? What I said is:
Torque delivered by an engine is dependent on the RPM not the weight the engine is pulling/pushing and with a better torque delivery at lower revs, the XUV pulls better even if the weight the engine is pulling is more than what the 2.2 vtt Dicor is doing. And what you thought is "Vipul mean, torque increases with weight being pulled".
Eh, I can't help you here because you have already risen above my thinking capabilities.


Buddy I won't insult the Toyota(Fortuner, Innova does not deserve to be in this compro) by bringing it here, so you can be happy.
Neither I have time to make videos nor I am getting an urge to shoot videos just to explain you my point. Rest let me now explain my point directly:
Power to weight ratio means "Ratio between power and weight". Now if you increase the weight being pulled by the engine, then the power to weight ratio changes. Same way, a Safari with 140 bhp and 2100 kgs will have same power to weight ratio as an XUV with 140 bhp and net weight being pulled by engine is 2100 kgs(this can be attained by carrying passengers). but thanks to the torque spread and gearbox settings that XUV with same power to weight ratio as of Safari is still quicker off the line or in gears.


I never said Storme is underpowered, but yes I never said that Storme can perform better than XUV!!


@Chosenone:
Neither I own Tata nor I own Mahindra..but still I am here. What you have to say about me then?

U don't own any of these cars!!!! why the hell i should discuss with you, if i did so it wont be a discussion, I drove safari scorpio over a lac of km i paid my hell lot of money for this cars, I experienced TATA/MnM better, So lets stop

 

[MrRanger]

No, thank you. I think I learnt about it way back in my graduation. Appreciate you kindness though.



Sumo was bought into picture since you said the Scorpio sells only because it is cheap. I was not comparing the Scorpio and Sumo.




Errr.. I know. I am a south Indian too.



Isnt that good? Wait for your competitor to explore a market segment, let it flop, see what went wrong and why, perfect that in your own product and then launch it to be blockbuster!

For sumo MnM has some thing called bolero .... close it.

So you are from south!!!!! where exactly from south, if from bangalore then join our off road meet(not official one) some day lets share some fun and also see what safari and other cars can do.
but its not any soon since im not in bangalore,once im back I will invite TAI fellow mates too,
Wasting more time by writing lets spend some time driving together.

 

[Raja]

you cannot say that based on ride quality on low speeds alone.



i dont know but it seems you hate M &M and hence cannot think objectively to bring in things in comparison

When did I say that ride quality is based on low speeds alone ? Iam infact saying ride quality is million times better in storme then xuv .

You please drive xuv and storme and then we will talk . I have driven both and I know what iam talking .

 

[THE XOVER]

Vipul,

Since you have given me this prerogative,so some more questions coming your way:

1. Between XUV and Storme: which has got better braking at high speeds?


2. Which has better ride quality at low,moderate and high speeds?


3. Which vehicle has beter driving position and ergonomics and overall driving comfort as both will be used frequently as highway cruisers?


4. Engine smoothness at low/high revvs-which one is better?

 

[THE XOVER]

Oops,missed one more question:So Vipul which gearbox is more fun to engage,I mean the shift quality is better in which SUV?

 

[TSIVipul]

U don't own any of these cars!!!! why the hell i should discuss with you,

I guess you mean to say that I need to own these cars or experience their ownership before I post something about them. Right?
If yes, then going by your words I must not talk of any car because I own a Pulsar 220!! Right?

if i did so it wont be a discussion,

Then what it will be?

I drove safari scorpio over a lac of km i paid my hell lot of money for this cars, I experienced TATA/MnM better, So lets stop

Hmm, then you have far more experience than me as you have spent lacs of kilometers behind the wheels of these cars.

When did I say that ride quality is based on low speeds alone ? I am infact saying ride quality is million times better in storme then xuv .

Ride quality changes with speeds and varies from bumpy to flat with speed. As the speed builds up, the ride becomes flatter and flatter. And of course the fantastic straight line stability of Storme with very comfortable seats add a lot more to it's fantastic ride quality, which in turn makes it a very comfy cruiser.

You please drive xuv and storme and then we will talk . I have driven both and I know what iam talking .

How about a good comparo buddy as it will take some time for me to do it?

Vipul,

Since you have given me this prerogative,so some more questions coming your way:

Prerogative??!! I just googled and found it's meaning.. and hence added one more word to my dictionary.

1. Between XUV and Storme: which has got better braking at high speeds?

Being true, I haven't tested the brakes of the Storme or say I just forgot to test them but as per my initial impressions, I guess the brakes very on the confidence inspiring side and felt more responsive than those of XUV's which have bite but not that much feel.
High speed braking of XUV is not on the impressive side, not let me check that of Storme because the high speed braking of previous Safari is also nervous.

2. Which has better ride quality at low,moderate and high speeds?

• Low speed ride favors XUV, Safari has always been bumpy at low speeds and Storme is also no exception. though it's less bumpy then previous versions but still the ride is on the bumpier side.
• Moderate speed ride is nearly same, XUV feels rattles while passing over bad patches at moderate speeds but Safari just judders and moves with slight bumpiness and slight flatness.
• In terms of high speeds or any speeds above 80-90 kph, it's the Storme which blows away the XUV. At high speeds even a rookie can feel the suspension movements in XUV, also the XUV starts losing it's confidence once you cross 130-140 kph, every road undulation can be felt with suspension movements. On the other hand, high speed ride and straight line stability of Safari is far better than that of XUV.

3. Which vehicle has beter driving position and ergonomics and overall driving comfort as both will be used frequently as highway cruisers?

See buddy, I personally felt the steering position of XUV to be better and seating of Safari to be better so I am neutral at this point.
In terms of overall driving comfort I think XUV will be better for city and hilly drives(where you need different throttle inputs every time) while Safari will be better for open highways where one needs a flat ride with comfort.

4. Engine smoothness at low/high revvs-which one is better?

XUV is always more eager to rev but refinement favors the Storme. In XUV you can hear engine noise inside even in mid range itself but Storme is a clear winner in terms of NVH.
And if power delivery is being talked of, then XUV has moe refined or say more usable rev range as compared to Storme.

Oops,missed one more question:So Vipul which gearbox is more fun to engage,I mean the shift quality is better in which SUV?

In terms of gearbox, none is having that perfect feel. Though both of the gearboxes feel a bit rubbery but still the Storme feels better in this department. At least you feel that the gear is engaged and there is no rubber block under the lever.

 

[Raja]

I guess you mean to say that I need to own these cars or experience their ownership before I post something about them. Right?
If yes, then going by your words I must not talk of any car because I own a Pulsar 220!! Right?


Then what it will be?


Hmm, then you have far more experience than me as you have spent lacs of kilometers behind the wheels of these cars.



Ride quality changes with speeds and varies from bumpy to flat with speed. As the speed builds up, the ride becomes flatter and flatter. And of course the fantastic straight line stability of Storme with very comfortable seats add a lot more to it's fantastic ride quality, which in turn makes it a very comfy cruiser.


How about a good comparo buddy as it will take some time for me to do it?


Prerogative??!! I just googled and found it's meaning.. and hence added one more word to my dictionary.


Being true, I haven't tested the brakes of the Storme or say I just forgot to test them but as per my initial impressions, I guess the brakes very on the confidence inspiring side and felt more responsive than those of XUV's which have bite but not that much feel.
High speed braking of XUV is not on the impressive side, not let me check that of Storme because the high speed braking of previous Safari is also nervous.

• Low speed ride favors XUV, Safari has always been bumpy at low speeds and Storme is also no exception. though it's less bumpy then previous versions but still the ride is on the bumpier side.
• Moderate speed ride is nearly same, XUV feels rattles while passing over bad patches at moderate speeds but Safari just judders and moves with slight bumpiness and slight flatness.
• In terms of high speeds or any speeds above 80-90 kph, it's the Storme which blows away the XUV. At high speeds even a rookie can feel the suspension movements in XUV, also the XUV starts losing it's confidence once you cross 130-140 kph, every road undulation can be felt with suspension movements. On the other hand, high speed ride and straight line stability of Safari is far better than that of XUV.

See buddy, I personally felt the steering position of XUV to be better and seating of Safari to be better so I am neutral at this point.
In terms of overall driving comfort I think XUV will be better for city and hilly drives(where you need different throttle inputs every time) while Safari will be better for open highways where one needs a flat ride with comfort.


XUV is always more eager to rev but refinement favors the Storme. In XUV you can hear engine noise inside even in mid range itself but Storme is a clear winner in terms of NVH.
And if power delivery is being talked of, then XUV has moe refined or say more usable rev range as compared to Storme.


In terms of gearbox, none is having that perfect feel. Though both of the gearboxes feel a bit rubbery but still the Storme feels better in this department. At least you feel that the gear is engaged and there is no rubber block under the lever.

I agree with you in most of the points but in my expreince even low speed ride is just better in storme then xuv . And personally I feel the xuv gear box to be more sleeker .

Braking I have tired stopping the storme at 100kmph and it stops in straight line no fuss , no swaying here and there .
And in comfort low, high speed city or highway storme is a clear winner .
Maybe our views differ here but belive me other then features and low rev free revving nature I lost all interest about xuv after driving the storme .

 

[TSIVipul]

I agree with you in most of the points but in my expreince even low speed ride is just better in storme then xuv . And personally I feel the xuv gear box to be more sleeker .

I have tested the Storme on only well paved roads and some 4-5 speed breakers and hence I am not writing the comparo before I do one more TD on every sort of road, which I'll be doing as soon as I reach my home and get the free time of a day or two.
But as per my initial impressions, XUV feels to be less bumpy at low speed at least and I am intact at my point.
In terms of gearshift, my dear I don't even like the way the gear lever of XUV is finished, I mean I find it looking odd and same is with shifts..it isn't having the short throws and short gate-gate travel like other 6 speed ones have and when you engage the lever into any gate then you feel it a bit rubbery. Though Storme is also having long travel between gears but it doesn't feel as rubbery as the XUV does.

Dunno why, but after driving the Storme I am feeling to compare it with Aria, especially in ride, high speed stability and comfort department. What's your take on Aria as compared to Storme?

Braking I have tired stopping the storme at 100kmph and it stops in straight line no fuss , no swaying here and there .

And what about braking distance? I think braking distance is more important and it's the place where Safari has a bad reputation. The hulking SUV carries a lot of momentum to stop in very short distances.

And in comfort low, high speed city or highway storme is a clear winner .
Maybe our views differ here but belive me other then features and low rev free revving nature I lost all interest about xuv after driving the storme .

I'll be commenting on this after one more TD, but till now I am in the favor of XUV. To me features doesn't matter that much, what matters is how the vehicle drives and how it behaves on various kind of inputs and it's where I find XUV better...at least till now.

 

[MrRanger]

I guess you mean to say that I need to own these cars or experience their ownership before I post something about them. Right?
If yes, then going by your words I must not talk of any car because I own a Pulsar 220!! Right?


Then what it will be?


Hmm, then you have far more experience than me as you have spent lacs of kilometers behind the wheels of these cars.



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Vipul, Sorry for my words,it is not the way it has written. thing is I'm not conviced to your 7 people on board logic so i that to stop that discussion.

I even caried 9 in my safari but i never felt any difference in it pulling it is as smooth as always, it will be same with other cars too, so at the end of last discussion I felt that I already experienced these things so I no need to discuss this with anyone else. This is what i mean.

Ok looks like you had TD of STORME, Which varient you TD and with color?