Tata Safari Storme Vs Rest of the Competition

[TSIVipul]

Now I thought you were knowledgeable enough to know this. A lot of suspension set-up are tuned to be softer at low speeds (anticipating in-city drives) which becomes stiffer as the speed progresses.

So you are telling me that Fortuner has gt some kinds of self or electronic(like in most of the premium cars) adjustable shocks which keep on adjusting themselves with speed??
BTW, I am not joking but I really don't know much when it comes to suspension setup.

Also, I have no idea as to why you found my statement regarding Fortuner a softroader weird? Maybe you can explain it better.

Hmm, because I personally find the Fortuner capable enough for crushing continents too. At least when compared to Storme thing, I have driven it and personally I don't find any reason to compare it with Storme especially in terms of driveability or capabilities.

@Jayadev:
Agree on Xenon point, this car is a true head turner too.

 

[freakdude]

So you are telling me that Fortuner has gt some kinds of self or electronic(like in most of the premium cars) adjustable shocks which keep on adjusting themselves with speed??
BTW, I am not joking but I really don't know much when it comes to suspension setup.

Most modern day suspensions have a LSV (load sensor valve) that does the trick, even my Etios has it . Maybe you can read more about it, you'll find it interesting.

Hmm, because I personally find the Fortuner capable enough for crushing continents too. At least when compared to Storme thing, I have driven it and personally I don't find any reason to compare it with Storme especially in terms of driveability or capabilities.

Storme thing??? Hmmm, maybe you find Fortuner capable of this and I am not denying that too as it might be too. All I said was Storme is far better in off-roading capabilities than a Fortuner.

@Jayadev:
Agree on Xenon point, this car is a true head turner too.

Absolutely!!! Xenon is surely a demon (as we are used to calling SUVs a beast) when it comes to off-roading.

freakdude.

 

[TSIVipul]

Most modern day suspensions have a LSV (load sensor valve) that does the trick, even my Etios has it . Maybe you can read more about it, you'll find it interesting.

Thanks for the info buddy, will read it for sure.

Storme thing??? Hmmm, maybe you find Fortuner capable of this and I am not denying that too as it might be too. All I said was Storme is far better in off-roading capabilities than a Fortuner.

too mean the same, both on and off road.
BTW, how can you say Storme is better off the road or Fortuner is a soft roader but Storme is an off-roader?? I need some technical reason for that, not a video description as 'driver' plays a big role in real world off-roading conditions.

 

[jayadev]

Now I thought you were knowledgeable enough to know this. A lot of suspension set-up are tuned to be softer at low speeds (anticipating in-city drives) which becomes stiffer as the speed progresses.
Also, I have no idea as to why you found my statement regarding Fortuner a softroader weird? Maybe you can explain it better.

freakdude.

One should Drive Fiat Punto above 100kmph to understand how it operates and excites us in real life.

 

[MrRanger]

Hmm, because I personally find the Fortuner capable enough for crushing continents too. At least when compared to Storme thing, I have driven it and personally I don't find any reason to compare it with Storme especially in terms of driveability or capabilities.

@Jayadev:
Agree on Xenon point, this car is a true head turner too.

may be your personal find is not true enough to say this. I never saw single wining fortuner in my life in extreme offroad stuff compare to old gen safari. old gen safari at least tried to keep its phase against force gurkha and other good machines but I last hopes on fortuner long ago.
Im sure STORME has better capabilities and good driveability compare to FORTUNER. for me fortuner is a showoff car nothing else.
Im sure Trailblazer is going to kill this soon.

 

[navnit013]

@ freakdude.

LSV is not self leveling suspension. BOTH are different.

- Self leveling suspension is the one that levels the suspension irrespective of the load. Whatever the load the ride height remains the same. CAPTIVA has that feature.

- LSV senses load on the axle and aids braking. It reduces the break pressure at the rear wheels when there is less weight (read less passengers or cargo) and Increases the break pressure when loaded. Its commonly used in commercial vehicles and now its making inroads into passenger vehicles (the ones with rear drum break set up). Etios, Tata Indigo (old), Tata Safari.... EVEN my SUmo Grande has it. BUT the one in my car car be adjusted manually as well.



AND just read a post about Storme being heavier than Fortuner (almost 200 kgs). The reason, well...Storme is a bigger car over all And Storme is also built with European Crash Tests in mind whereas Fortuner isnt.

 

[MrRanger]

I guess Xenon has such kind of suspension setup.

 

[THE XOVER]

AND just read a post about Storme being heavier than Fortuner (almost 200 kgs). The reason, well...Storme is a bigger car over all And Storme is also built with European Crash Tests in mind whereas Fortuner isnt.

Nah, Storme ain't nearly 200kg heavier than T-Fort.


Fortuner 4x2= 1880kg kerb weight

Storme 4x2= 2000 kg kerb weight

Difference=120 kgs.


Fortuner 4x4= 1970kg kerb weight

Storme 4x4 = 2095 kgs kerb weight


Difference=125kgs


Source:Official website of Tata and Toyota


So the difference is almost 80 kg less than 200 kg,and if you look closely towards the height and width of Storme you'll know why this 120 kg weight difference exists.



THE X-OVER

 

[freakdude]

@ freakdude.

LSV is not self leveling suspension. BOTH are different.

I never said LSV is self leveling suspension. Read my post again. I too said it is what you have explained.

freakdude.

 

[navnit013]

I never said LSV is self leveling suspension. Read my post again. I too said it is what you have explained.

freakdude.

well I thought we were on a different page. As you were answering Vipuls question on self leveling shocks.

 

[jagrover]

Now its clear why Storme takes more time to stop than Fortuner with all those four disc brakes..
Storme is heavier considerably than Fortuner hence the difference..
No problem in braking of Storme..

 

[jayadev]

Now its clear why Storme takes more time to stop than Fortuner with all those four disc brakes..
Storme is heavier considerably than Fortuner hence the difference..
No problem in braking of Storme..

Storme is 125 kg heavier with 9 percent thinner wheels.
If you can compensate it with wider better tire ,I bet storme's braking would be better than that of Fortuner.

 

[S Class]

Hi Buddy let me add some points which may boost your opinions,
there are loads of stuffs which can provide evidence to say fortuner as softroader rather than true blood off-roader.
> fortuner is not derived from Prado instead it is sourced from innova a taxi I mean a specialized people mover. Toyota added some off-road equipments to support it.
> I noticed loads of off-road fails of fortuner.

According to me A UV with LSD, terrain response system(diff locker) etc etc can not be a real SUV, it should be in its heart that is its construction.

Storme is built as a PURE breed of SUV but fortuner is half MPV and half pick-up so Fortuner is just a cross over.

enjoy few links where fortuner is failed in front of XENON AND THAR

Thanks for the links. I never felt fortuner to be true SUV, it is just a pumped up pick-up truck with some roof throw in. As said by before, Fortuner is just a show-off vehicle, nothing more than that, that too in rural areas or maybe where the politicos prefer to show their power (fake) by using such trucks.
Rather than buying Fortuner, I will prefer a Storme + Elantra in same amount.

 

[S Class]

Just see helpless Toyota Fortuner.

Toyota fortuner in flood markina city 2012 - YouTube

 

[TSIVipul]

On what factors Storme can be actually compared with Fortuner(I think I have asked it second time), one costs 15 lac and one costs 25.

On the off-road failure videos, haha...there is a weak link called 'driver' in many cars which can make even a Range Rover fail.

Let us compare Storme to XUV or Scorpy, the vehicles with which it is meant to compete with.

BTW GUYS, STORME IS MORE RUGGED OR BETTER SUV AS COMPARED TO XUV BECAUSE IT HAS A 'BODY ON FRAME' CONSTRUCTION OR 'LADDER FRAME CHASSIS' RIGHT???

@S-Class:
The video you have posted is a Fortuner 4X2 I guess, why? Look at the front wheel..
If the central differential is locked(like if Fortuner 4X4) then the front wheels will move at any cost, but in this vehicle. Secondly the way driver has pressed on gas itself proves that he is not trying to get the vehicle out, instead he is just making splashes. The simple rule of off-road driving is 'be light but progressive on throttle' but this guy is giving very high throttle inputs.

Now since you guys love video presentations, hence I don't know what you will have to say on this:
Safari Tractor Rescue - YouTube

And this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLmomUEAAlk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B82MkhzTgY8

ACTUALLY THE REAL POINT IS THAT, YOU PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DEGRADE THE FORTUNER JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PROVE THE STORME A BETTER VEHICLE OVERALL, AND HENCE I REQUEST YOU TO MOVE ON TO OTHER VEHICLES AND LEAVE FORTUNER.