Repeated Case of Zero NCAP Crash Test Rating of Indian Cars

[1989rs500]

TRUE, Baleno is like Tin CAN and I understood now after there was dent on bumper on my car

Being a tin can dosent essentially mean the car is weak,
Eg Jazz and Elite i20 and new Figo all feel like tin cans but their chassis are strong,
Baleno is actually one of theose Marutis that has got a 3*** NCAP rating, pretty poir rating considering even Figo got 4****, still its got a chassis thats better than all othet Maruti hatch backs.

 

[acechip]

Renault Kwid global NCAP crash test report is very shocking, Crash test comducted on their three different versions, including one with airbags, but all variants scored zero rating in adult safety, however company had made all the promises for safety at the time of Renault Kwid launching.

I dont see how it is any more shocking than Hyundai, Mahindra or Maruti car safety results. Atleast Renault is trying to save some face by trying to re-engineer (albeit with some slyness) to pass the test. The others, notably Maruti are just nonchalantly dismissing the test results. Their Chairman says, that just because crap is tolerated as standard in India, you must eat crap. Not joking, he actually gave the food standards analogy.

Automakers Respond To Global NCAP Crash Test Results | Business Standard News
R.C. Bhargava, chairman of the company, was quoted as saying, ‘Standards for testing cars made in India are fixed by the Indian government. All car manufacturers follow those standards. What is the purpose and relevance of standards being set for crash tests for Indian vehicles being set by some other country or some other organisation? Who defines those standards and why should we listen to them? Even food items made in India are tested here and their standards fixed in India and same is the case with standards fixed for other industries’.

I find THAT the most shocking.

 

[Akash1886]

Buddies,

A light heart-ed take on the Indian Cars which recently failed crash tests. See how the dummy reacts to it! Even he is hell scared!!







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Regards

Akash

 

[1989rs500]

@Akash1886
Thats an extremely funny post, laughed a lot...
https://www.motorbeam.com/2016/05/cars/renault-kwid/brazilian-renault-kwid-4-airbags-abs/
Anyway Renault has made airbags and ABS optional in all variants of Kwid for Brazil, now will that happen for Indian ones?

 

[TSIVipul]

Recently a DZire owner enlightened me about safety by telling me that no matter what the car is, in a major accident the aftermath is same. Hence the safety features are just a useless gimmick on which money isn't supposed to be wasted. I am thankful to this peraon for the worda of wisdom he spoke to me.

@1989rs500
That's my reply to why Renault isnt offering ABS + 4 Airbags in India. In fact even at Redi-GO drive event (review will be up shortly) even the Datsun management was proudly telling that one airbag will be optional on top end variant and even more sheepishly they said that ABS isnt available even as an option.

 

[1989rs500]

Recently a DZire owner enlightened me about safety by telling me that no matter what the car is, in a major accident the aftermath is same. Hence the safety features are just a useless gimmick on which money isn't supposed to be wasted. I am thankful to this peraon for the worda of wisdom he spoke to me.

@1989rs500
That's my reply to why Renault isnt offering ABS + 4 Airbags in India. In fact even at Redi-GO drive event (review will be up shortly) even the Datsun management was proudly telling that one airbag will be optional on top end variant and even more sheepishly they said that ABS isnt available even as an option.

Ok @TSIVipul helmets ON
See some taxi driver may say something, these taxi drivers know nothing other than rash driving,honking unnecessarily,saving fuel by slugging in final gears,saving fuel by AC switching,and then slicing customers for insane taxi charges, so however you may justify a taxi drivers voice is BS.

The outcome is not at all same after a crash, for eg: back in 2015 November 3 students died on a crash with a mini lorry, the crash took place at Kollam Ernakulam route, the Alto had no airbags and all 3 died instantly, the crash took at a moderate 70-80 kmph overtake, the lorry driver too suddnly pulled an overtake both colliding at middle of road with no divider,
The DGP Kollam released a press conference saying airbags could have saved the driver at least because the driver side was the one that took impact and srudent died out of steering hit on head,

So airbag,ABS,seat belts, all are mandatory safety features,
One must understand that India is the only nation on earth that has such weak safety norms, even Indonesia a country thats fully corrupt and half developed as India has mandatory safety rules.

I feel pity for you man trusting on some taxi driver.

 

[acechip]

Technically speaking, the seatbelts are the primary life saving device, because they are expected to restrain you from the forces of the crash. A strong sub-frame with crash members, impact beams etc are of course, required to deflect the crash forces. The airbags are , by definition, supplementary restraint devices. I had given my Fiat Linea for servicing at a workshop in Pune. Over there, I saw a totally wrecked Linea, and I mean, really wrecked. I asked the technician what happened. He mentioned that it was involved in a very high speed crash (above 150kph), but the driver came out unscathed. He said that in any other car, that would not have been possible. He actually showed me the cross members inside the engine bay that had taken the brunt of the crash. Such members are what makes the Linea safer and sturdier than other cars. Hence the kerb weight of 1250kg or so.

 

[1989rs500]

Technically speaking, the seatbelts are the primary life saving device, because they are expected to restrain you from the forces of the crash. A strong sub-frame with crash members, impact beams etc are of course, required to deflect the crash forces. The airbags are , by definition, supplementary restraint devices. I had given my Fiat Linea for servicing at a workshop in Pune. Over there, I saw a totally wrecked Linea, and I mean, really wrecked. I asked the technician what happened. He mentioned that it was involved in a very high speed crash (above 150kph), but the driver came out unscathed. He said that in any other car, that would not have been possible. He actually showed me the cross members inside the engine bay that had taken the brunt of the crash. Such members are what makes the Linea safer and sturdier than other cars. Hence the kerb weight of 1250kg or so.

Well I havent seen any Ford or VW thats involved in a heavy crash but the info shared is right, in Indonesia,China,Malaysia etc there are cars like Proton,Quinci or some cheap local brands which dont have money to reinforce the cars with high strength cage, what they do is supplement these things with 2 airbags standard, they dont even give a music system on base variant but they make 2 airbags standard because rules are strict, here no rules, nobody is strict about safety, so people make up their own miraculous stories and say all these safety systems are a waste of time and money while its not
We see the Kwid with airbags too scored but the detailed analysis says structurally weak and Renault is ready to accept their weakness and work on it while other brands like Mahindra,Bajaj,Hyundai,Maruti are criticizing GNCAP

 

[Bracket]

This accident occured day before yesterday (2016/05/23) (Sri Lanka) the Alto collided head-on with a bowser. Both driver and the front seat passenger died on the spot. Rear seat occupants suffered major injuries.

This clearly shows what NCAP meant by poor structural integrity.

In the 64km/h NCAP test, the Suzuki-Maruti Alto 800 achieved a zero-star rating for its adult occupant protection. The vehicle structure was rated as unstable, increasing the risk of life-threatening injuries and making the car unsuitable for the fitment of airbags.

http://www.globalncap.org/suzuki-ma...ng-car-fails-to-meet-minimum-safety-standard/

 

[sushant_infotag]

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This accident occured day before yesterday (2016/05/23) (Sri Lanka) the Alto collided head-on with a bowser. Both driver and the front seat passenger died on the spot. Rear seat occupants suffered major injuries.

This clearly shows what NCAP meant by poor structural integrity.

And our govt is busy promoting "Make **** in India" rather than force these stupid manufacturers to provide atleast safer structural cars.

 

[sushant_infotag]

By Prabhagar
Got these from my SA who claims this happened in a hill station (Ooty, Tamil Nadu) at 60 ish KMPH. Appears to have hit a pole. Unfortunate for a brand new car to go through this.

Just posting the crash pics of Tiago which were added by TAI member. After seeing these pics I'm really inclined towards TATA cars instead of these tin cars be it maruti or hyundai or even vw polo.
I just hope the way TATA is improving its cars, they follow the same approach with TASC.

 

[GautamJ]

Just posting the crash pics of Tiago which were added by TAI member. After seeing these pics I'm really inclined towards TATA cars instead of these tin cars be it maruti or hyundai or even vw polo.
I just hope the way TATA is improving its cars, they follow the same approach with TASC.

As TATA have their own crash test facility, so I think they test each car before launching it. One can easily make out the safety difference/build quality of Tiago verses its rivals. TATA cars are mostly build solid.
But its really hard why TATA skipped ABS in the safety pack.

 

[acechip]

It is also evident that the passenger was not wearing a seatbelt, yet the airbag deployed and inspite of the airbag, the passenger hit his/her head on the windshield. Again goes to show why the SEATBELT is the primary restraint mechanism.
Just to edit this one- as pointed out in the team-bhp forum the Vista crash test showed a similar windshield crack pattern when the passenger airbag deployed. SO, that could also have been a reason in the case of the Tiago. But why would Tata carry over an apparently flawed technique over to the Tiago?

 

[1989rs500]

It is also evident that the passenger was not wearing a seatbelt, yet the airbag deployed and inspite of the airbag, the passenger hit his/her head on the windshield. Again goes to show why the SEATBELT is the primary restraint mechanism.
Just to edit this one- as pointed out in the team-bhp forum the Vista crash test showed a similar windshield crack pattern when the passenger airbag deployed. SO, that could also have been a reason in the case of the Tiago. But why would Tata carry over an apparently flawed technique over to the Tiago?

What kind of pattern are you talking about @acechip?
Is there such a fault with Indica ?
So is this present in Zest as well?

Seatbelt is sure the biggest safety mechanism, and actually ABS too is super important. In absence of weak strong structure sometimes airbags can save from small hits below 80 kmph.

 

[sushant_infotag]

It is also evident that the passenger was not wearing a seatbelt, yet the airbag deployed and inspite of the airbag, the passenger hit his/her head on the windshield. Again goes to show why the SEATBELT is the primary restraint mechanism.
Just to edit this one- as pointed out in the team-bhp forum the Vista crash test showed a similar windshield crack pattern when the passenger airbag deployed. SO, that could also have been a reason in the case of the Tiago. But why would Tata carry over an apparently flawed technique over to the Tiago?

From the reports it seems the passenger was wearing the seatbelt. The broken windscreen was from the impact of airbag deployment, same can be seen in case of vista crash test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJlcnEQLbQs

However I would not consider this a design fault. The breaking of windscreen with deployment of airbag is not hurting the passenger in any way. It's a nuisance YES, but still safer choice than other cars within the same category.