Next Generation Maruti Suzuki Dzire Launched

[AbhisekVerma]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

I have visited Nissan showroom to check for Sunny CVT, but those guys attitude made me not to turn back to them. The way they spoke is like “why you came to buy a Nissan car, you don’t have any other car to buy? ”. And service center network are the biggest drawback for me as they are not reachable. Nearest Nissan service center is 25 kms to me in Chennai city, so dropped the idea of having any Nissan car.

POLO might be a good car but it’s price and maintenance cost are show stoppers for me.

Jazz 1.2 CVT, wife doesn’t like this car, so can’t go for it.

Baleno CVT, did a test drive and not impressed with the car. CVT gear box may be good, but the car itself is not pleasing to me. Felt like one of the worst car in the country. (no offence to any Baleno owners)

ZEST XMA, I am impressed with this car but it is a diesel mill which I am not looking for. So was on hold.

Now looking at DZIRE as ray of hope for my need.

Any reason for not considering Tigor XZ-P? It has all the bells and whistles and probably is not that underpowered. Did you TD?

 

[navnit013]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

Therz nothing wrong with AMT. Its a cheaper unit. The best economic way to make an automatic gearbox. And lets not forget, Formula 1 race cars use AMT. A small hatch back doesnt need to shift like a race car. Here longevity of the clutch is more important than outright shift speeds.

 

[Akash1886]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

Akash,
my experience of Nexa during purchasing the Baleno left me with a sour taste. Not only for their unpleasent handling of my case (their take it or we will give to someone else attitude) but also the sheer lack of professionalism in delivering a car with issues they were aware about. Even the poor way in which the accessories were fitted and done. Nothing is more demeaning then showing up for a delivery when the car has only half the accessories installed, doesnt have rust proofing and acrylic sealant done, waiting for 5 hours to have them done and then realising that the car already has failed components. I get that these were never car salesmen but this handling of customer was just pathetic.

I agree with you buddy. In my uncle's outlet too there were a couple of rotten eggs (read SA) and their attitude towards customers many times was quite ignorant. Infact on our forum itself there are number of cases where the SA at Nexa have acted clever with the customer. No matter whether they wear a formal suit and speak in a accented English yet the DNA in both are same.

My experience with the ordinary Maruti showroom was much better just a year before. Whenever I went, and I went a few times, they entertained me, were willing to offer as much info as they had, handled accessories professionally and gave me a product I never had any serious issues with.

I agree too. But, they are also quite over confident due to the mass following of the brand. Their attitude in general about the sales made me to avoid buying a new car from Maruti this time. Let me also tell you, even though I am now buying a Tigor, but, I still won't take any nonsense from TATA dealer in respect to the sales or customer handling.

Regards

Akash

 

[1989rs500]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

Therz nothing wrong with AMT. Its a cheaper unit. The best economic way to make an automatic gearbox. And lets not forget, Formula 1 race cars use AMT. A small hatch back doesnt need to shift like a race car. Here longevity of the clutch is more important than outright shift speeds.

F1 cars and racing cars use sequential shifting gearbox, they are far far superior to AMTs and dosent work the way AMTs work , they are worlds apart and dosent even come in a same scenario

Now regarding AMT, They are pretty dull, easily avoidable if there is a competing CVT or dual clutch or torque converter in contention
The AMT has tried its best to mimic a regular manual but it still is far from perfect, sure regular auto gearboxes too are not perfect but still better than AMTs

I was surprised with the lag and shift times an AMT has to make gear changes and it still has a lot of kick back while sudden braking happens which I didnt like at all, the new gen AMTs ie ones in Ignis are refined but even that refinement I felt is inferior to a CVT or torque converter autos

The only reason I would say to choose AMT is only if one needs all of the rest of the car and dosent care about transmission , if shift smoothness, driving ease, driving confidence is something that makes into criteria avoid AMTs, they are really bad compared to regular Auto and CVT gearboxes, the Tata Zest AMT too was a disappointment ,the manual is so much better despite not being a perfect manual gearbox.

 

[kkn13]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

Have you test drove the Ignis 1.2 with AMT? if yes, how was it?

Well Im not the most sedate driver but it was certainly better than AMT with K10 by a huge margin
The 1.3 MJD makes a huge difference in the Ignis,Dzire, Zest

Oh and I wouldnt recommend Ford and VW DCT/DSGs at all, their reliability etc is not recommended for a home town vehicle. The last thing you'd want is niggles, bills and being stranded in your own home town imho

Brio AT isnt bad , in fact its easily the best here along with the Baleno CVT but the Ignis is more comfortable etc
Brio loading lip is a major con too

Micra CVT isnt bad either but after sales experience is hit or miss especially given your usage

Dont expect much from AMTs other than the slight ease of use, I dont think itd cause too many issues compared to DSG/DCT

 

[RKKOLLIPARA]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

Any reason for not considering Tigor XZ-P? It has all the bells and whistles and probably is not that underpowered. Did you TD?

I did TD for TIGOR petrol and totally disappointed in every aspect, I can’t understand why such a hype for this car. I was waiting for TIGOR launch since 2016 and resulted in huge disappointment.
No offence to any TIGOR owners, Truly my opinion.
Poor suspension, vibrations, compact size, non-sync in front and rear body shape... and to list more are reasons not to consider.
Haven’t seen a single car on road in Chennai till now.

 

[ItsDivyansh]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

Guys finalised the model and colour today, VXI with magma grey color will look fantabulous in my parking.
Now let's see the when will I get the delivery (booked on the day when pre-booking started)

 

[Akash1886]

Re: Next Generation Maruti Suzuki Swift & Dzire Launched

Friends,

Here are the Videos of Maruti Suzuki Dzire ZXi 2017 Variant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwevD9_xO4I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27X5uo1OuRo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgJJ0Ocotho

Sharing of these videos needs full credit to T.A.I​

Regards

Akash

 

[AbhisekVerma]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

I did TD for TIGOR petrol and totally disappointed in every aspect, I can’t understand why such a hype for this car. I was waiting for TIGOR launch since 2016 and resulted in huge disappointment.
No offence to any TIGOR owners, Truly my opinion.
Poor suspension, vibrations, compact size, non-sync in front and rear body shape... and to list more are reasons not to consider.
Haven’t seen a single car on road in Chennai till now.

Looks like you got an abused TD car may be bcz at least the suspension is one of the best. I don't agree with the sync point a bit but ok its your opinion. Hope Dzire fulfils your requirement as Maruti has come with a competition killer car (well Dzire hardly had any competition even in the past)

 

[Maverick84]

Re: Next Generation Maruti Suzuki Swift & Dzire Launched

Hi All,
I really loved Tigor XZ, but alas no AMT was on offer. And now Dzire has just blown all of its competition away by its pricing which i think is spot on for the things it offers.
Considering all the features plus safety on offer on Dzire Vxi AGS , I have booked Oxford blue Vxi AGS. Now the wait begins for the delivery. They said 4 weeks. Lets see !!!

 

[harry10]

Re: Next Generation Maruti Suzuki Swift & Dzire Launched

Quick question.
How much FE can I expect from Dzire Vxi in Delhi's mad traffic with 100% AC?
And will the FE differ from Manual and AMT variant?

 

[Maverick84]

Re: Next Generation Maruti Suzuki Swift & Dzire Launched

Quick question.
How much FE can I expect from Dzire Vxi in Delhi's mad traffic with 100% AC?
And will the FE differ from Manual and AMT variant?

Maruti has claimed 22kmpl for Dzire in ideal conditions, so can expect 14 to 15 kmpl in city conditions i think which is quite good for a sedan of this size.
And FE for AMT shouldnt change much as it is not a fuel guzzler like CVT automatics, if you check Renault kwid AMT brochure , claimed FE for AMT is higher than Manual in ideal conditions. So in Dzire also i dont expect any FE change in MT or AMT Version. But yes it all depends on the driver and way you drive also.

 

[ameyam]

Re: Next Generation Maruti Suzuki Swift & Dzire Launched

Sorry to be late on the AMT vs CVT vs DSG / torque converter discussion but just adding my inputs.

As a disclaimer- I have learnt on and driven a 1.2L manual all of the three years I have been driving.

I drove both the AMT and the CVT. The AMT was in a Wagon R when I was suggesting my cousin to buy it (new driver). The CVT was in a Baleno when I wanted to buy it- actually I was looking for a Delta trim and the CVT was the only car in the Delta trim.

Firstly the CVT- it was really bad for city driving. In that 1km I drove it in very light traffic, I got really irritated with the rubber band effect- a gap would open up in traffic and I would push the acccelerator down to occupy it. There would be loud growl from the engine as it revved up and then nothing. Some other car would occupy that gap. I dont know if the CVT had a manual mode and I didnt have sports mode enabled as I was more interested in the trim. But I was very sure I didnt want the CVT. Though it really was very smooth

When I drove the Wagon R, it was like driving a car with a manual gear box that didnt need work with the left foot. There was head nod- the jerk when gear changes, something that wasnt there in CVT. And, just like the CVT, acceleration didnt happen when you wanted. I finally put the stick into manual and drove it in manual- push forward to drop a gear and back to shift up. Then I didnt feel any issue, that is, till I came to a complete stop in 2nd gear and didnt have the bandwidth to brake and shift down into neutral at the same time. May be that would come with time because it was a 10 minute drive at almost 9pm.

My take on the matter is that servicing a CVT or DSG or torque converter box is not cheap. But servicing an AMT is no more expensive than a manual. It means a stress free usage and good resale when you are done with the car. Plus you can always drive it as a manual. It way be the worst of the boxes but its fit for purpose. Not for me though, for one as a enthusiastic driver and because I just cant get around to trusting that the box will stop the car when you need to stop (thats mostly in my head though)

To summarise, I think the AMT is a great little option to have for a daily driver. If you are a performance oriented driver though, manual is the way to go.
When I took the Wagon R I had to a mechanic's garage in a particularly crowded lane, I actually had to ask him to accompany me home because I was not to confident I could drive through the crowd and traffic. I used to then think a auto box was really useful. Few months later, when I took the new Swift to him for some check and negotiated the same traffic with ease, he was asking me why I needed an "L" board on my car. From a time when I used to think about what gear to change into to a time then where the gears basically change themselves, it just took a few months. So AMTs are not for me personally

Ameyam

 

[1989rs500]

Re: Next Generation Maruti Suzuki Swift & Dzire Launched

Sorry to be late on the AMT vs CVT vs DSG / torque converter discussion but just adding my inputs.
As a disclaimer- I have learnt on and driven a 1.2L manual all of the three years I have been driving.
I drove both the AMT and the CVT. The AMT was in a Wagon R when I was suggesting my cousin to buy it (new driver). The CVT was in a Baleno when I wanted to buy it- actually I was looking for a Delta trim and the CVT was the only car in the Delta trim.
Firstly the CVT- it was really bad for city driving. In that 1km I drove it in very light traffic, I got really irritated with the rubber band effect- a gap would open up in traffic and I would push the acccelerator down to occupy it. There would be loud growl from the engine as it revved up and then nothing. Some other car would occupy that gap. I dont know if the CVT had a manual mode and I didnt have sports mode enabled as I was more interested in the trim. But I was very sure I didnt want the CVT. Though it really was very smooth
When I drove the Wagon R, it was like driving a car with a manual gear box that didnt need work with the left foot. There was head nod- the jerk when gear changes, something that wasnt there in CVT. And, just like the CVT, acceleration didnt happen when you wanted. I finally put the stick into manual and drove it in manual- push forward to drop a gear and back to shift up. Then I didnt feel any issue, that is, till I came to a complete stop in 2nd gear and didnt have the bandwidth to brake and shift down into neutral at the same time. May be that would come with time because it was a 10 minute drive at almost 9pm.
My take on the matter is that servicing a CVT or DSG or torque converter box is not cheap. But servicing an AMT is no more expensive than a manual. It means a stress free usage and good resale when you are done with the car. Plus you can always drive it as a manual. It way be the worst of the boxes but its fit for purpose. Not for me though, for one as a enthusiastic driver and because I just cant get around to trusting that the box will stop the car when you need to stop (thats mostly in my head though)
To summarise, I think the AMT is a great little option to have for a daily driver. If you are a performance oriented driver though, manual is the way to go.
When I took the Wagon R I had to a mechanic's garage in a particularly crowded lane, I actually had to ask him to accompany me home because I was not to confident I could drive through the crowd and traffic. I used to then think a auto box was really useful. Few months later, when I took the new Swift to him for some check and negotiated the same traffic with ease, he was asking me why I needed an "L" board on my car. From a time when I used to think about what gear to change into to a time then where the gears basically change themselves, it just took a few months. So AMTs are not for me personally
Ameyam

Actually CVTs and DSGs are no way more costly to service regularly than regular MT variants of their respective cars, its just the 40,000 kms intervals where the transmission fluid needs to be refilled which will cost around same as engine oil refill cost,
So service cost wise there is no difference between CVT,Manual,DSG,AMT,Torque converters, its a wrong notion that automatics are more expensive to maintain while AMT is cheap

Regarding the drive experience I agree CVTs have that rubbery feel , but still it felt smooth and far more in control , I recently drove the Ignis AMT which is far superior to Wagon R AMT and yet it wasnt giving me any confidence, for example I had a situation to make a sudden brake while a biker took U turn, The Ignis while braking shifted so profoundly and irritatingly that there were like jerks that felt like car had some issue, and then when I got back to power because the ones who were travelling back didnt have full stopping momentum the car wouldnt move, it was slowly rolling and thinking on which gear to be in next, it was super frustrating and weird like the car lost its power suddenly, then I cant fully remember all the instances but at least for me it felt like AMT has a lot more to do to mimic an automatic feel, it feels semi automatic , sometimes I feel like should I do something to make it respond

CVT on the other hand felt predictable, sure sometimes there were more noise than progress but after driving it for a few kms I understood how to drive the CVT,the AMT however felt far more inconsistent

AMT is sure a good way to make a clutch free driving, but at times I felt like a regular MT Ignis will be far better to drive than AMT, but CVT on the other hand was smooth and it felt like automatic, another good AT car I like is the Brio AT, it also felt really nice frankly slightly better than Micra CVT as well, but lack of features and safety,boot space, built quality and space inside was a let down.

 

[Volksjäger]

Re: Next Generation Maruti Suzuki Swift & Dzire Launched

A Quick drive review of the 2017 Swift Dzire from Overdrive. Improvements in the AMT gearbox are noted here. There is also a brief vlog from Overdrive reviewer talking about the improvements made in the car.

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