Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern
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Re: Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern?
I can literally see the grin on your face while posting certain comments.
Btw ebd,abs,bas arent all these part of same system working simultaneously?
I dont think one will sustain without another of course abs should be the basic block here.
I can literally see the grin on your face while posting certain comments.
Btw ebd,abs,bas arent all these part of same system working simultaneously?
I dont think one will sustain without another of course abs should be the basic block here.
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ABS: Antilock Brake System (or Anti-locking Brake System) - enables you to steer whilst keeping the brake pedal full on. Can be felt as a vibration through the pedal when it cuts in. Also useful in stopping in a straight line if one side is on slippery stuff and the other on grippy stuff (non-ABS will tend to spin).
EBD: Electronic Brake Distribution (or Electronic Brake-force Distributor) - alters how much of the brake force goes to the front and how much to the rear. Cars always have more braking on front as if the rears lock before the front then the car will spin. How much braking you can do with the rears depends on how much weight is in the vehicle so EBD dynamically adjusts this balance. Without it, the manufacturer sets up the balance so the rears don't lock when the vehicle is empty which is less braking than is possible when the vehicle is full.
ESP: Electronic Stability Program - senses when the car is about to go out of control and can apply an individual brake to a wheel to help avoid the spin. Will not totally prevent the spin but means that it takes more to lose control. Often also used to give traction control where brakes may be applied if a wheel begins to spin due to too much power for the grip.
* Note - many cars have TCS (Traction Control System) without having ESP.
BAS: Brake Assist detects circumstances in which emergency braking is required by measuring the speed with which the brake pedal is depressed. Some systems additionally take into account the rapidity of which the accelerator pedal is released, pre-tensioning the brakes when a "panic release" of the accelerator pedal is noted. When panic braking is detected, the Brake Assist system automatically develops maximum brake boost in order to mitigate a drivers tendency to brake without enough force. In doing so, Brake Assist has been shown to reduce stopping distance by a significant margin; up to 20% in some studies.
And guess what, these inventions were done by Mercedes-Benz. ABS was introduced first by Merc only.![[:D]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Big%20Smile.gif "Big Smile [:D]")
ABS: Antilock Brake System (or Anti-locking Brake System) - enables you to steer whilst keeping the brake pedal full on. Can be felt as a vibration through the pedal when it cuts in. Also useful in stopping in a straight line if one side is on slippery stuff and the other on grippy stuff (non-ABS will tend to spin).
EBD: Electronic Brake Distribution (or Electronic Brake-force Distributor) - alters how much of the brake force goes to the front and how much to the rear. Cars always have more braking on front as if the rears lock before the front then the car will spin. How much braking you can do with the rears depends on how much weight is in the vehicle so EBD dynamically adjusts this balance. Without it, the manufacturer sets up the balance so the rears don't lock when the vehicle is empty which is less braking than is possible when the vehicle is full.
ESP: Electronic Stability Program - senses when the car is about to go out of control and can apply an individual brake to a wheel to help avoid the spin. Will not totally prevent the spin but means that it takes more to lose control. Often also used to give traction control where brakes may be applied if a wheel begins to spin due to too much power for the grip.
* Note - many cars have TCS (Traction Control System) without having ESP.
BAS: Brake Assist detects circumstances in which emergency braking is required by measuring the speed with which the brake pedal is depressed. Some systems additionally take into account the rapidity of which the accelerator pedal is released, pre-tensioning the brakes when a "panic release" of the accelerator pedal is noted. When panic braking is detected, the Brake Assist system automatically develops maximum brake boost in order to mitigate a drivers tendency to brake without enough force. In doing so, Brake Assist has been shown to reduce stopping distance by a significant margin; up to 20% in some studies.
And guess what, these inventions were done by Mercedes-Benz. ABS was introduced first by Merc only.
Re: Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern?
@S Class:
My buddy thanks for taking the pain for mentioning all this.
Now since you are S Class,so can you please tell me what are neck-pro and pre-safe which are the special safety features of Merc cars?
@S Class:
My buddy thanks for taking the pain for mentioning all this.
Now since you are S Class,so can you please tell me what are neck-pro and pre-safe which are the special safety features of Merc cars?
Re: Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern?
I believed abs was from Bosch. Nonetheless.
Bas sounds more usefull and sensible all in all, yet they are electronics and automated systems means they will have their own limits.
I believed abs was from Bosch. Nonetheless.
Bas sounds more usefull and sensible all in all, yet they are electronics and automated systems means they will have their own limits.
Re: Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern?
Okay guys,one simple question which will show most of the queries related to ABS etc etc.
Why ABS of off-roaders gets turned off or gets too much limited if the vehicle is turned to off-road settings?
Okay guys,one simple question which will show most of the queries related to ABS etc etc.
Why ABS of off-roaders gets turned off or gets too much limited if the vehicle is turned to off-road settings?
Re: Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern?
From my experience brakes becomes non existant in wet roads and loose gravel. Thrice I hade heart in mouth experience .
Just imagine fate of brakes in loose mud while offroad.
From my experience brakes becomes non existant in wet roads and loose gravel. Thrice I hade heart in mouth experience .
Just imagine fate of brakes in loose mud while offroad.
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^^You mean brakes with ABS or without ABS?
^^You mean brakes with ABS or without ABS?
Re: Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern?
Sure.
Neck-pro as name suggests are specially designed head restraints for the passengers. It is linked to ECU which keeps collecting info from sensor if there is more than normal intensity rear end collision (this intensity is pre-defined & I don't know the exact no. for the same). When rear collision takes place, it releases pre-tensioned springs inside the head restraints, causing the latter to move forwards and upwards by few mm (again don't have figs but surely is <40mm) in a split-second; this has the effect of providing support for the heads of occupants at an early stage. After they are deployed, using a tool in the car, you can put them back to their original place.
In short, Neck-Pro is just like a intelligent seat-belt for your neck in case of rear collision as your neck in this case moves forward & may get injured in case of high impact.
Pre-Safe - This was introduced in S Class first but now is available even in E Class (& if I am right even in new C Class).
There are several sensors (or on bumpers they are as good as radars) which keep monitoring the car's surrounding after the car exceeds the speed of 30 km/hr. If the car senses that collision may happen, it first sends audio & visual warnings to the driver & still if the driver doesn't react, it automatically tightens the seat belt & brings the seat incline position to the safest position automatically. Pre-Safe can't be switched off & is always on.![[:)]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Smile.gif "Smile [:)]")
It also automatically applies brakes to reduce the collision to large extent.
** Pre-Safe deploys all safety features like ABS, ESP, traction control & even minor steering wheel adjustments to clear the obstacle as much as possible.
Pre-safe is just advance warning mechanism which takes necessary action to keep damage to car & occupants minimal.
And the one thing which I like the most & is one of the latest introduction is " Coffee Break" warning lights. Here, the car sees the eyes of the eyes of driver & if driver tries to doze off, it give audio signal to wake him up (& other passenger too![[lol]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Laugh.gif "Laugh [lol]")
). A nice icon of coffee mug with vapour comes up on dash, indicating, its time for coffee.
I hope I have answered your queries. If you have any doubt, please ask.
Sure.
Neck-pro as name suggests are specially designed head restraints for the passengers. It is linked to ECU which keeps collecting info from sensor if there is more than normal intensity rear end collision (this intensity is pre-defined & I don't know the exact no. for the same). When rear collision takes place, it releases pre-tensioned springs inside the head restraints, causing the latter to move forwards and upwards by few mm (again don't have figs but surely is <40mm) in a split-second; this has the effect of providing support for the heads of occupants at an early stage. After they are deployed, using a tool in the car, you can put them back to their original place.
In short, Neck-Pro is just like a intelligent seat-belt for your neck in case of rear collision as your neck in this case moves forward & may get injured in case of high impact.
Pre-Safe - This was introduced in S Class first but now is available even in E Class (& if I am right even in new C Class).
There are several sensors (or on bumpers they are as good as radars) which keep monitoring the car's surrounding after the car exceeds the speed of 30 km/hr. If the car senses that collision may happen, it first sends audio & visual warnings to the driver & still if the driver doesn't react, it automatically tightens the seat belt & brings the seat incline position to the safest position automatically. Pre-Safe can't be switched off & is always on.
It also automatically applies brakes to reduce the collision to large extent.** Pre-Safe deploys all safety features like ABS, ESP, traction control & even minor steering wheel adjustments to clear the obstacle as much as possible.
Pre-safe is just advance warning mechanism which takes necessary action to keep damage to car & occupants minimal.
And the one thing which I like the most & is one of the latest introduction is " Coffee Break" warning lights. Here, the car sees the eyes of the eyes of driver & if driver tries to doze off, it give audio signal to wake him up (& other passenger too
). A nice icon of coffee mug with vapour comes up on dash, indicating, its time for coffee.I hope I have answered your queries. If you have any doubt, please ask.
Two of them in my punto and 1 in ford ranger without abs. the later one fell into a ditch taking me too.
With punto I dont dare too much as I know it would be my last.
With punto I dont dare too much as I know it would be my last.
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Re: Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern?
I am saying this just because you are not at all considering any +ve effect of these safety devices. Though they can fail anytime, you can't bet on electronics. But you have to rely on them whether you believe them or not. As its better to have them instead of not having them.
@jaydev i think you are doubting the air bags & abs, whether they'll work or not.
First of all i wanna make a thing clear, the car having air bags will definitely have abs. Air bags are never thrown in a car not having ABS.
Now the second one these days most of the air bags have 2 stage deployment function. If you are wearing seat belt and the collision is lethal, then they'll deploy using their full potential.
If you are not wearing seat belt, irrespective of the type of collision the air bag will use partial amount of potential for deployment. Same is the case when you are wearing the seatbelts but the collision is not lethal.
Now Jaydev bro i wanna answer your doubt. Actually you are asking for a guarantee from ABS and airbag, to save someone's life in case of misshape. What if you see a person dying in front of you, just because these things were not there in the car, there will definitely be a thought in your mind that "if they(abs, airbags) would have been there in the car, the person could have had chances of survival".
This is the point on which most of the electronic safety devices work.They actually increase the chances of survival.
If we go by your point then, you won't advice a AIDS patient to get treatment as there is no chance of his survival.
Try to find positive aspects of these devices as well, they have far more +ve aspects than negative ones.
You also need them whether you like them or not.__________________
I am saying this just because you are not at all considering any +ve effect of these safety devices. Though they can fail anytime, you can't bet on electronics. But you have to rely on them whether you believe them or not. As its better to have them instead of not having them.
@jaydev i think you are doubting the air bags & abs, whether they'll work or not.
First of all i wanna make a thing clear, the car having air bags will definitely have abs. Air bags are never thrown in a car not having ABS.
Now the second one these days most of the air bags have 2 stage deployment function. If you are wearing seat belt and the collision is lethal, then they'll deploy using their full potential.
If you are not wearing seat belt, irrespective of the type of collision the air bag will use partial amount of potential for deployment. Same is the case when you are wearing the seatbelts but the collision is not lethal.
Now Jaydev bro i wanna answer your doubt. Actually you are asking for a guarantee from ABS and airbag, to save someone's life in case of misshape. What if you see a person dying in front of you, just because these things were not there in the car, there will definitely be a thought in your mind that "if they(abs, airbags) would have been there in the car, the person could have had chances of survival".
This is the point on which most of the electronic safety devices work.They actually increase the chances of survival.
If we go by your point then, you won't advice a AIDS patient to get treatment as there is no chance of his survival.
Try to find positive aspects of these devices as well, they have far more +ve aspects than negative ones.
You also need them whether you like them or not.__________________
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Re: Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern?
Strange that polo is still not voted by a single TAIan. Whereas i20, beat, vista managed to get one each.
Strange that polo is still not voted by a single TAIan. Whereas i20, beat, vista managed to get one each.
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Vivek,never rely on statistical datas. When couple of polo owners see this thread it will come up and depending on number of owners with a particular cars and their bias you will find higher figures which may astray your own beliefs too.
Vivek,never rely on statistical datas. When couple of polo owners see this thread it will come up and depending on number of owners with a particular cars and their bias you will find higher figures which may astray your own beliefs too.
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Re: Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern?
@jayadev
Seems you are correct bro.
@jayadev
Seems you are correct bro.