Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern

[jayadev]

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I cant say it is a mechanical failure, yes it got confused,and that is what its limits are.
Untill that incident I believed my car is fail safe and bullet proof. As the braking of the car is simply awesome in home town Kerala as roads have a rough surface but in Tamil nadu the roads were very different and I got bit overconfident about the ABS.

 

[TSIVipul]

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^^My buddy it's not only mechanical,instead I'd say it's more of an electronic issue.

Rest,in such cases you need to follow the multi-pumping technique as it really helps a lot at such times.At least I myself do pumping and found that its really helpful.

Rest I too once had confidence on my brakes but ended up getting them failed!!

 

[dharmesh]

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Rest,in such cases you need to follow the multi-pumping technique as it really helps a lot at such times.At least I myself do pumping and found that its really helpful.

+1000 to what Vipul said, Multi pumping or progressive braking is the way to go. This way ABS will not kick in and what you are doing make car behave some what similar to what ABS does, but you are in control of the brakes. But during the accident times, we need to have that presence of mind, because the things happen in fractions of seconds and we dont even have time to react or respond to the situation.

 

[TSIVipul]

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^^See buddy,if presence of mind is there in last moments then accidents will never happen.But bitter truth is that when things start going wrong then presence of mind goes to hell and only PANIC remains,however experienced the driver is!!
If the driver by-mistake do something right then he is a good driver else he is bad.But my experience says that these decisions are takes unknowingly even we also think afterwards ho we did that.
And that's the reason I always mention "At high speeds your car will never give you a second chance"!!

 

[dharmesh]

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^^See buddy,if presence of mind is there in last moments then accidents will never happen.But bitter truth is that when things start going wrong then presence of mind goes to hell and only PANIC remains,however experienced the driver is!!
If the driver by-mistake do something right then he is a good driver else he is bad.But my experience says that these decisions are takes unknowingly even we also think afterwards ho we did that.
And that's the reason I always mention "At high speeds your car will never give you a second chance"!!

I agree to you, that's what happened to me 2 weeks ago. If you go through my accident description you will see, I din't realised what to do, so I hit brakes hard as changing lanes at last moment might cause a bigger accident and a swift banged me from behind.

 

[jayadev]

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Dharmesh , are you sure by multi pumping abs wont actuate in punto? Do you have any evidence? i hope you not sharing some "thoughts "or "guesswork"here.

Afaik punto doesnt give up what it is designed for.
only chance for a safe drive is you should know what limitations are how should drive on given condition.
Eg. When babies are at front pax seat airbags should be switched off mandatorily (hope that is true)

 

[Gurrala74]

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It seems there is a + and a - with ABS

Since you have ABS, hence you have a feeling of controlling it suddenly in a emergency, but because of this feeling it leads to un even speeds and driving with over confidence and when you break sudden then poor non ABS fellow behind you will be able to understand you and hit you without a control.

Here Dharmesh case is different again where he was saved with ABS one side and become a victim of it where the car behind cannot control, but again the built quality saved a big bang at rear.

But after reading a lot about ABS and other posts about no good breaks in new Swift and all, some how I feel that My Ritz really god good breaks(non ABS) where it just stops wherever I want(I am quite satisfied with it), but only thing is if I break it at the sudden I feel the body roll terribly hence I avoid that always

 

[dharmesh]

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Dharmesh , are you sure by multi pumping abs wont actuate in punto? Do you have any evidence? i hope you not sharing some "thoughts "or "guesswork"here.

Afaik punto doesnt give up what it is designed for.
only chance for a safe drive is you should know what limitations are how should drive on given condition.
Eg. When babies are at front pax seat airbags should be switched off mandatorily (hope that is true)

I dont have any evidence, but as far as my knowledge goes, ABS kicks in when we press ABS hard. I may be wrong. But this is what I have read everywhere.
You can read this at the link below as well.

What is ABS

 

[jayadev]

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Dharmesh,please do not share wild guess and assumptions especially in safety related topics.
What you read may be a history by now so take it with pinch of salt and try to add a disclaimer if posiible.

Afaik pumping the brakes are very helpful and once saved my life in Tata Vista, but in an abs ebd attached system is doesnt realize why you are pumping rather it does it duty reliably not to lock the tire and keep the vehical in line.

 

[dharmesh]

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jayadev, This is not a wild guess and assumptions. This is the same thing written everywhere on internet. And also one of the fellow TAIian, when I met him said the same thing. So I was just sharing my knowledge. I have never experienced the same.

 

[S Class]

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We are talking about ABS only, What about ABS with EBD & BAS ?

 

[TSIVipul]

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I agree to you, that's what happened to me 2 weeks ago. If you go through my accident description you will see, I din't realised what to do, so I hit brakes hard as changing lanes at last moment might cause a bigger accident and a swift banged me from behind.

Buddy I read it whole and is sorry to find that you will need to shell out 10k for no fault of yours.
BTW,why the swift driver beaten the taxi driver?While he was at real fault of looking at child not at road.
If I'd been at your place my reaction would have been 4-5 tight slaps to the Swift guy and then talking.

Dharmesh , are you sure by multi pumping abs wont actuate in punto? Do you have any evidence? i hope you not sharing some "thoughts "or "guesswork"here.

Bud in ABS systems sometimes it happens that due to any reasons the braking force is not enough as is not as usual.In such cases multi pumping that also quickly done helps a lot.
Rest it's not that tough to confuse HECU of ABS,it needs only a simple technique.

 

[dharmesh]

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Buddy I read it whole and is sorry to find that you will need to shell out 10k for no fault of yours.
BTW,why the swift driver beaten the taxi driver?While he was at real fault of looking at child not at road.
If I'd been at your place my reaction would have been 4-5 tight slaps to the Swift guy and then talking.

I actually din't want to get into fight as it was no one's mistake. So I just was trying to hold him back.

 

[S Class]

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Why no one is talking about EBD & BAS ??

 

[jayadev]

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Because we expected some info being shared by you rather than trying to spark of a debate in first hand.

Btw I forgot what is bas?