Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern

[VivekRj.Dieselhead]

Re: Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern?

Well in my views the basic reason why safety is compromised at its best in Indian market is the Indian buyer himself.
Why?Because in India people pay for seats,engine,FE,body shell,A/C,power steering and power windows.
But when it comes to ABS and airbags then they feel that the car is a bit too expensive or the money will be wasted.

I voted for VW vento,BTW I wanted to vote for Linea and Vento both.
Why?Because they have got all the essential safety features with a tough built body shell too.

Naa that's not happening buddy, i was expecting some aggressive views from your side, so far you are correct. I know that polls'll not give accurate results due to the problem you faced while voting, but still they can give a good picture.

Let me rephrase what I have been saying.
Safety should be concerned with Drivers in India than cars.
Road manners and disciples should be made stricter .Then you will see ABS and airbags becomes redundant accessories.

What if you follow all the safety rules and regulations and all of a sudden you commit a mistake then, i think you'll definitely rely on the safety features of your ride and i think that is why you bought punto.

 

[Raja]

Re: Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern?

Vivek read dharmesh ownership report he just got rear ended by a swift he has posted pics too , so in a way your point seems correct . Can you as a thread starter request him to post the pictures here please .

 

[jayadev]

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What if you follow all the safety rules and regulations and all of a sudden you commit a mistake then, i think you'll definitely rely on the safety features of your ride and i think that is why you bought punto.

Human error cannot be warranted with Automated safety mechanism.What if the those automatic systems fail on the go ?

Chances of safer Journey become fairly high if all the drivers behave sane and sensible on road.
Other wise What use is a safest car handed to an insane driver ? he may survive but would have killed handful of others .

Let us asses it in this way that
1. market is selling you "Safety" at a price with good profit.(Part of marketing and advertising)

2.There is no validity of those "Safety" devices so they have win win deal in hand.

3.As per Industrial standards all "safety" devices must be checked or inspected yearly.

4.Most of the "safety" devices have its own major drawbacks like ABS terribly fails in loose/soft floor.

How much near are we coming to making it a mandatory law ?

What if you follow all the safety rules and regulations and all of a sudden you commit a mistake then, i think you'll definitely rely on the safety features of your ride and i think that is why you bought punto.

I dont think Punto is SAFER car than any other car on road by a huge margin,Ofcourse it feels well built and tough but nobody not even manufacture could quote any measure how much safe it is comparatively.
Punto has passed euroNcap testing so did Hyundai i20,Maruthi swift,Tata Nano and many other cars. So what does I make out of it ?

 

[jayadev]

Re: Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern?

I believe this video will shed some lights on safety (Language is incomprehensible but video is self explanatory)
â–º CRASH TEST - Fiat 500 vs Audi Q7 - YouTube





â–º CRASH TESTS - Demonstrate the influence of vehicle size - YouTube

Automatic Brake fail of volvo.

Insane Volvo brake test epic fail - YouTube

 

[S Class]

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^^ Thanks for the vids buddy. Very useful indeed.
And Volvo is hopeless it seems, does Volvo feel wiper protects the occupant in case of crash ? No wonder then, Chinese ownership of Volvo is showing its colors !!

 

[jayadev]

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well that was only thing activated in the incident ,so one can assume it could be some innovative idea from volvo. Otherwise what else could be the reason there was no rain either in case of rain sensing wipers!

Hope those videos does tells that for safety one have to pay the price.with a poll we may not reach to an appropriate conclusion. a million ignorant may say yes to something wrong but there may be only 10 who said right but lost in polling (typical fate of Indian government). No offence to anybody but we should be through an through with certain facts before our government take another foolish steps to impliment improper laws(hope we dint forget our dear sunfilms ).

 

[dharmesh]

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Vivek read dharmesh ownership report he just got rear ended by a swift he has posted pics too , so in a way your point seems correct . Can you as a thread starter request him to post the pictures here please .

Your wish my command mate. Here you go:

My car:







Swift :



Here is the detailed write up of the accident.

http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...hs-15-500-km-still-smiling-10.html#post200716

 

[VivekRj.Dieselhead]

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Your wish my command mate. Here you go:

My car:

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Swift :

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Here is the detailed write up of the accident.

http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...hs-15-500-km-still-smiling-10.html#post200716

Thanks for showing the pics in this thread buddy, its indeed a great contribution from your side.

Please elaborate the incident on this thread to give a clear picture of the incident.

 

[dharmesh]

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Thanks for showing the pics in this thread buddy, its indeed a great contribution from your side.

Please elaborate the incident on this thread to give a clear picture of the incident.

The link that I have shared will directly redirect to that specific post, where I have detailed out the incident.

 

[TSIVipul]

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After reading the whole thread I found one post in which I can express myself in a good way,so here it is(Iron Rock sir,5 stars for this post):

In some cars its true airbag deployment is dependent on seat belts. This is done for safety reasons.

Simple it is..airbags are not always safe.In other words airbags like the active airbags of Skoda Rapid etc are sometimes life threatening instead of life saviors.
Hence the best combo is seat belts+airbags.

There is an SRS mentioned in airbags as they are designed to work in tandem with seat belts.Btw the airbag also gets deflated immediately as you are not meant to get suffocated on an inflated airbag. So basically the design is your seat belt gets tensioned and your airbags deploy next all happens in microseconds offcourse - ideally this should minimise damage.

Well after experiencing airbags open and deflate in front of me twice what I have experienced is:-
First of all,what is SRS?Simple SRS means Supplemental Restraint System,in straight words,these airbags are nothing but just a supporting safety feature which works with seat belts.
How this SRS system works?
It is simple,your car meet with an accident-within microseconds the sensor gets activated-it results in seat belts getting tightened and hence holding the passengers in place and after a fraction of a microsecond as seat belts tightens,your airbag inflates with a small blast.
By this way,passengers are saved from facing the sudden retardation and their body is saved from suffering a large part of energy/momentum change.

Please do note that an airbag is essentially an exploding device meant to open in micro seconds and save lives but it will also inevitably cause injuries if not used in conjuction with a seat belt.

+1000

What makes the active airbags dangerous?
Actually in the systems like of active airbags there is no process like SRS.Instead the process is downright simple "accident-trigger-open airbag".
Now in this case what happens is that if the passenger has worn seat belts then he/she can survive but if the seat-belts are not worn by the passenger then what happens is:

• Firstly the passenger gets thrown toward the wheel due to collision.
• Now to add more to that retardation your airbag comes at full force form front and push you back like a bullet has hit your body.This can easily crush your chest,break your neck etc.
• While in case of SRS airbags-no seat belt ties means no airbag deflation and this is more safer as compared to the 'active' airbags.

Real life accidents are extremely complex, no matter how much we simulate with crash test dummies in controlled environments.

Again +1000..

The basic difference between real life accidents and the simulated ones is the difference in speed.
The ones simulated are done at minimal speeds like 60 kph and some are done at maximum 60 mph.
Else truth is that no car in the world is made such a way that it can guarantee the safety of passengers at even 100 kph.At the speeds like 140-150 and above,the passengers stand no chance in case of an accident,instead the car gets sliced like a knife does to butter irrespective of what the car is.
I many times myself do such speeds but never recommend anyone to do it because at such speeds you never stand a chance in case anything goes wrong and the biggest misconception in the minds of people is that the airbag equipped car will keep them alive even if they hit a truck at 150 kph.

Here is a video to show you what happens at some elevated speeds:
Crash test Ford Focus a 190 km/h, Fifth Gear - YouTube

 

[jayadev]

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but that is what they have been buzy educating the customers at showrooms that airbags and abs are life assurance device.
I wont deny them completely but they do aid in limited ways .

I dont want to do a philosophical war here but pointing out from my own experience .
in my punto ownership there is an accident and I can assure you it was the ABS, otherwise accident could be avoided.period.people asked me why I dint apply the brakes as no rubber marks on road.( how can I explain the village folks about ABS wont allow tire locks.)
the Tamilnadu roads are silver smooth due to heat and quality tarmac. When I applied the brakes we four guys heard intense ghrr ghrr ghrr of abs actuation but the car dint stop-..BANG!one among us thought car lost the tire and underbody was scrapping the road, after incident he came out and checked the tires first.
Guys believe it or leave it.
In above case the car was steerable to last moment so I could avoid brushing against truck.but for smaller cause I had to suffer a bigger loss.

 

[TSIVipul]

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@Jayadev:
Actually that's all the result of lack of education among the customers that they agree the words of sales guys that airbags will save them even if their car collide at 150 kph.

The case you have mentioned is an example of failure of ABS,actually it generally happens if either there is something wrong with the brake line or maybe the sensors got a bit too confused and brakes didn't ally adequately.
C'mon yaar,its after all a machine and it can fail.

 

[Gurrala74]

Re: Lack of Safety in Indian Cars – A Serious Concern?

It it is a fatal accident, then nothing will save you

 

[TSIVipul]

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^^You are absolutely correct.
In case of high speed accidents and any kind of major accidents the passengers are purely relying upon the mercy of Yamaraj.

 

[vishnunarayanan]

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It it is a fatal accident, then nothing will save you

^^You are absolutely correct.
In case of high speed accidents and any kind of major accidents the passengers are purely relying upon the mercy of Yamaraj.

Agree to you both.
There are occations were all these safety equipments become helpless before the fate. Driving safe would be the best way to keep that fate away.