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Kinetic Honda DX / ZX Thread
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Re: Kinetic Honda DX/ZX Thread.
sad to hear it bro. but after reading your post thrice, I feel it's the work of high concentration of oil vs fuel rather than boric acid. and why did you add boric acid to fuel? I told you no already. its meant to be put in oil sump!
yes those aux lights are correct.
sad to hear it bro. but after reading your post thrice, I feel it's the work of high concentration of oil vs fuel rather than boric acid. and why did you add boric acid to fuel? I told you no already. its meant to be put in oil sump!
yes those aux lights are correct.
Re: The Mighty Kiney – Kinetic Honda DX ‘92
Thankx RSVB and Devill_56 for the inputs.
first thing, will putting the said tyre layout I mentioned in the earlier message give me any advantage. performance or handling or do you think I put the same size on both wheels and carry on with the stepney.
because I am aiming at a reliable machine which can eat up kilometers and not ditch me on the road, once done I want it cover at least a few thousand kms of continuous and hard riding. of course basic TLC will not be overlooked.
I have also located and will pick up a Keihin auto choke carb and a oil pump. I am building up my inventory of those small components that can be carried in case of any eventuality.
Yesterday I did one more thing while changing the rear shock Absorber and silencer. I cleaned up the gear box and topped up with 140 grade gear oil. And what a smooth rife I had in the morning. The babe was literally gliding. At speeds in the green region of the speedo it was pure bliss. Not a single extra noise, vibration.
One thing I am noticing for the past couple of days, when pushing up the speedafter 55kmph. it requires effort to go beyond. But, once I cross 62 - 63 kph it goes up till 72 - 73 which is the max, today this band came more effortlessly maybe due to the clean gearbox I dont know.
So all you experts please help out in this build with your knowledge and experience.
Thanx once again for the prompt response
Cheers
Kaushik![[clap]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Clap.gif "Clap [clap]")
Thankx RSVB and Devill_56 for the inputs.
first thing, will putting the said tyre layout I mentioned in the earlier message give me any advantage. performance or handling or do you think I put the same size on both wheels and carry on with the stepney.
because I am aiming at a reliable machine which can eat up kilometers and not ditch me on the road, once done I want it cover at least a few thousand kms of continuous and hard riding. of course basic TLC will not be overlooked.
I have also located and will pick up a Keihin auto choke carb and a oil pump. I am building up my inventory of those small components that can be carried in case of any eventuality.
Yesterday I did one more thing while changing the rear shock Absorber and silencer. I cleaned up the gear box and topped up with 140 grade gear oil. And what a smooth rife I had in the morning. The babe was literally gliding. At speeds in the green region of the speedo it was pure bliss. Not a single extra noise, vibration.
One thing I am noticing for the past couple of days, when pushing up the speedafter 55kmph. it requires effort to go beyond. But, once I cross 62 - 63 kph it goes up till 72 - 73 which is the max, today this band came more effortlessly maybe due to the clean gearbox I dont know.
So all you experts please help out in this build with your knowledge and experience.
Thanx once again for the prompt response
Cheers
Kaushik
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Re: The Mighty Kiney – Kinetic Honda DX ‘92
Hello All!!!
Now that I am with folks who have a similar mindset I am giving my imagination some wings ....![[evil]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Evil.gif "Evil [evil]")
What is the highest rating of a battery which can be accommodated in a Kyni? The original one is 4 amps .. and is sufficient of daily use but when I think of a long distance I will feel comfortable if there is more amps available to me. I am going to hook up a point for charging my phone and a LED spot light.
Anyone tried mounting a GPS / smart phone on the dash? I want to mount my smart phone use the GPS and also the camera. I am thinking of some innovative designs to do it but will appreciate if there is a proven basic design available so that I can improve on it.
The Kyni is hated by the mechanics because even to replace a cable the complete panel has to be removed. Some of them screws are not at the most accessible positions. I was just wondering why cant we make use of velcro (don't laugh !!! velcro has been used in space crafts) and some quick release spring loaded locks and make this exercise easier?
Last but not the least, how about disk brakes at least in the front? I am quite serious about this one. Have been checking the net to see if a disk is available for the 10" wheel. I was checking as to where the oil chamber will sit and found that there is space ...
BTW, do any of you have a spare front mud guard or point me to someone who has one and is willing to sell it? The one that I have is falling in pieces. There is no point in trying to tinker that one.
Enough rambling for a Sunday morning ..
Cheers
Kaushik
Hello All!!!
Now that I am with folks who have a similar mindset I am giving my imagination some wings ....
What is the highest rating of a battery which can be accommodated in a Kyni? The original one is 4 amps .. and is sufficient of daily use but when I think of a long distance I will feel comfortable if there is more amps available to me. I am going to hook up a point for charging my phone and a LED spot light.
Anyone tried mounting a GPS / smart phone on the dash? I want to mount my smart phone use the GPS and also the camera. I am thinking of some innovative designs to do it but will appreciate if there is a proven basic design available so that I can improve on it.
The Kyni is hated by the mechanics because even to replace a cable the complete panel has to be removed. Some of them screws are not at the most accessible positions. I was just wondering why cant we make use of velcro (don't laugh !!! velcro has been used in space crafts) and some quick release spring loaded locks and make this exercise easier?
Last but not the least, how about disk brakes at least in the front? I am quite serious about this one. Have been checking the net to see if a disk is available for the 10" wheel. I was checking as to where the oil chamber will sit and found that there is space ...
BTW, do any of you have a spare front mud guard or point me to someone who has one and is willing to sell it? The one that I have is falling in pieces. There is no point in trying to tinker that one.
Enough rambling for a Sunday morning ..
Cheers
Kaushik
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Re: The Mighty Kiney – Kinetic Honda DX ‘92
@KaushikChatterjee
1. Tyre size upto your choice. I don't prefer stepney, it adds lot of drag/rear heavy feel. Buy MRF Tuffup tubes, might help with punctures.
2. Kiney is default 5Ah battery. I run on maintenance free 5 AH.
3. Fitting disk needs lot of mods. First one being telescopic shocks. Adding available telescopes increases front height drastically, wich affects the character. Dunno details of disk, but seen one on Honda Dio.
@KaushikChatterjee
1. Tyre size upto your choice. I don't prefer stepney, it adds lot of drag/rear heavy feel. Buy MRF Tuffup tubes, might help with punctures.
2. Kiney is default 5Ah battery. I run on maintenance free 5 AH.
3. Fitting disk needs lot of mods. First one being telescopic shocks. Adding available telescopes increases front height drastically, wich affects the character. Dunno details of disk, but seen one on Honda Dio.
Re: The Mighty Kiney – Kinetic Honda DX ‘92
Hi Devil Thanx!!!
What tyres are you running? Today at team-bhp I saw a post where a guy had even fit a 100/4" tubeless tyre on his Kyni. Have you heard of that size??![[roll]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Roll.gif "Roll Eyes [roll]")
.I think I will stick to 3.50X10 front and back.
Today I was generally looking at the front wheel and saw that there is a lot of space between the hub and the strut to position a disc, the challenge is to position the callipers.
It seems in their pursuit to make a Kinetic fast some of them have put in the Suzuki Shogun bore piston and made them into hot rods.
I now know what I want .. 1) reliability 2) stability 3) I should be able to reach upto 80 - 85kph when I want wiithout burning the engine 4) capable of long distances (about 400 - 500km per day for 10 - 15 days ) 5) a decent milage
I am not able to decide between the stepney and a luggage carrier box at the back. Due to the petrol tank I cant put anything permanent or heavy on the back seat.
BTW can you give me some tips to resurrect the fuel guage? There is no way to know how much petrol is in the tank except for guesswork else like I have seen some folk carrying 1L spare with them always .. but where to keep a bottle in a Kyni?
Boss put your thinking cap on for a while. The reason I am convinced that this bike can do the distances is because since day one it has never given up on me. If things go well maybe I will come down and meet you![[:D]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Big%20Smile.gif "Big Smile [:D]")
Cheers
Kaushik
Hi Devil Thanx!!!
What tyres are you running? Today at team-bhp I saw a post where a guy had even fit a 100/4" tubeless tyre on his Kyni. Have you heard of that size??
.I think I will stick to 3.50X10 front and back.Today I was generally looking at the front wheel and saw that there is a lot of space between the hub and the strut to position a disc, the challenge is to position the callipers.
It seems in their pursuit to make a Kinetic fast some of them have put in the Suzuki Shogun bore piston and made them into hot rods.
I now know what I want .. 1) reliability 2) stability 3) I should be able to reach upto 80 - 85kph when I want wiithout burning the engine 4) capable of long distances (about 400 - 500km per day for 10 - 15 days ) 5) a decent milage
I am not able to decide between the stepney and a luggage carrier box at the back. Due to the petrol tank I cant put anything permanent or heavy on the back seat.
BTW can you give me some tips to resurrect the fuel guage? There is no way to know how much petrol is in the tank except for guesswork else like I have seen some folk carrying 1L spare with them always .. but where to keep a bottle in a Kyni?
Boss put your thinking cap on for a while. The reason I am convinced that this bike can do the distances is because since day one it has never given up on me. If things go well maybe I will come down and meet you
Cheers
Kaushik
Re: The Mighty Kiney – Kinetic Honda DX ‘92
I would suggest selling it off and get a 150 cc bike, to be realistic.
I would suggest selling it off and get a 150 cc bike, to be realistic.
Re: The Mighty Kiney – Kinetic Honda DX ‘92
Hi Devil!!!!!
Now you have opened a can of worms!!!!
If I wanted a 150cc bike I would have directly gone there. If you have read my earlier mails you would have noticed that Kinetic was my choice. It wasn't dumped on me.
Let me tell you something interesting. When I used to ride Bullet (350 / 500 /535) folks called me mad .. everyone was on the 70kmpl bikes. I rode a Bullet not because I was a pahalwan (hyderabadi lingo) nor a zamindar (Bihar / UP) or a cop. I wanted to be different! I have done enough modifications to my Bullets (all performance based) so that even a '88 Standard could take on a CBZ signal to signal. But there came a time when every Tom dick and Harry started riding those LS geared RE bikes. They became too common. During that time I stopped riding the Bullet.
Now in the era of non geared scooters everyone rides a Honda /Suzuki. So I ride a Kinetic. The reason I want to do this one up is because Kyni is a simple vehicle, easy to maintain, very reliable and extremely maneuverable. Having a metal body its more robust than its counterparts. Give me a couple of months this PR will rock like it has never rocked before.
I am digging your brains because you love a Kinetic, you have restored one and maybe you have also thought of modifications.
The next plan is to open the two wheel assemblies / gear box, check the bearings mounts and if need be replace them.
Then it will be the Handle .. T-rod cone and balls etc.
As of now all lights, horns starter are working so will hunt for a complete wiring harness and do up the electricals.
I am working on fixing a GPS / smart phone holder on the dash board.
The bore / piston I will not touch now as there is sufficient compression.
Once the bike is in the best condition mechanically I will go for some tinkering and painting.
In between of course I will get the bike ready for trips. It does 90-100km in a day (45 - 50 km each way) peacefully. Sometimes I even do the whole distance without a single stop. Now the plan is to take it for a continuous 200 - 250km in a day. Then stretch it more to see whats the most that can be done on it in a day comfortably by man and machine. I am also not the young guy that I used to be
So long ... you now know my intents.
Regards
Kaushik
Hi Devil!!!!!
Now you have opened a can of worms!!!!
If I wanted a 150cc bike I would have directly gone there. If you have read my earlier mails you would have noticed that Kinetic was my choice. It wasn't dumped on me.
Let me tell you something interesting. When I used to ride Bullet (350 / 500 /535) folks called me mad .. everyone was on the 70kmpl bikes. I rode a Bullet not because I was a pahalwan (hyderabadi lingo) nor a zamindar (Bihar / UP) or a cop. I wanted to be different! I have done enough modifications to my Bullets (all performance based) so that even a '88 Standard could take on a CBZ signal to signal. But there came a time when every Tom dick and Harry started riding those LS geared RE bikes. They became too common. During that time I stopped riding the Bullet.
Now in the era of non geared scooters everyone rides a Honda /Suzuki. So I ride a Kinetic. The reason I want to do this one up is because Kyni is a simple vehicle, easy to maintain, very reliable and extremely maneuverable. Having a metal body its more robust than its counterparts. Give me a couple of months this PR will rock like it has never rocked before.
I am digging your brains because you love a Kinetic, you have restored one and maybe you have also thought of modifications.
The next plan is to open the two wheel assemblies / gear box, check the bearings mounts and if need be replace them.
Then it will be the Handle .. T-rod cone and balls etc.
As of now all lights, horns starter are working so will hunt for a complete wiring harness and do up the electricals.
I am working on fixing a GPS / smart phone holder on the dash board.
The bore / piston I will not touch now as there is sufficient compression.
Once the bike is in the best condition mechanically I will go for some tinkering and painting.
In between of course I will get the bike ready for trips. It does 90-100km in a day (45 - 50 km each way) peacefully. Sometimes I even do the whole distance without a single stop. Now the plan is to take it for a continuous 200 - 250km in a day. Then stretch it more to see whats the most that can be done on it in a day comfortably by man and machine. I am also not the young guy that I used to be
So long ... you now know my intents.
Regards
Kaushik
Re: The Mighty Kiney – Kinetic Honda DX ‘92
Know what you have before thinking of performance tuning and this touring and all.
By your requirement.
1) reliability. It is reliable, but not as reliable as modern 4 stroke but lightyears ahead of old Chetaks.
2) stability. It is stable for slow speed. Forget about it some speed. Braking also no good for anything more than 40-50.
3) I should be able to reach upto 80 - 85kph when I want wiithout burning the engine.
It's 110cc counterpart had top speed 87 and it used to cry to sustain anything more than 70. It's a scooter and not a rocket. Be realistic.
4) capable of long distances (about 400 - 500km per day for 10 - 15 days ). Never dream of doing 400-500 per day. it will break down for sure. It's not like doing touring on a bike. You wont take 50 km in a stretch. It's physically demanding. Severe back pain, ass pain, all will be there. Even doing 200 km in a 100 bike is tiring.
5) a decent milage. Mileage will be there as long as it is used how it is supposed to be.
All these together, you will get only with a bigger capacity bike.
This is an ancient marvel, good for city roundabouts. ANything can go wrong anytime and everything will be screwed.
Know what you have before thinking of performance tuning and this touring and all.
By your requirement.
1) reliability. It is reliable, but not as reliable as modern 4 stroke but lightyears ahead of old Chetaks.
2) stability. It is stable for slow speed. Forget about it some speed. Braking also no good for anything more than 40-50.
3) I should be able to reach upto 80 - 85kph when I want wiithout burning the engine.
It's 110cc counterpart had top speed 87 and it used to cry to sustain anything more than 70. It's a scooter and not a rocket. Be realistic.
4) capable of long distances (about 400 - 500km per day for 10 - 15 days ). Never dream of doing 400-500 per day. it will break down for sure. It's not like doing touring on a bike. You wont take 50 km in a stretch. It's physically demanding. Severe back pain, ass pain, all will be there. Even doing 200 km in a 100 bike is tiring.
5) a decent milage. Mileage will be there as long as it is used how it is supposed to be.
All these together, you will get only with a bigger capacity bike.
This is an ancient marvel, good for city roundabouts. ANything can go wrong anytime and everything will be screwed.
Re: The Mighty Kiney – Kinetic Honda DX ‘92
Fitting disk on trailing link suspension of Kiney is impossible 100%. Only possible after converting to telescopes. The top part is fixed where you are planning to fix the caliper and rest is moving with shock absorber movement and alignemtn and distance is constantly varying, impossible to align the caliper with disk plate.
Tank got a total capacity of 8.5 liters. You can see a step inside the tank. Till that step, it holds about 2-3 liters. You can keep a check on that and don't have to carry petrol in bottle.
You can change the fuel float and if the meter is working, it will show the level.
Fitting disk on trailing link suspension of Kiney is impossible 100%. Only possible after converting to telescopes. The top part is fixed where you are planning to fix the caliper and rest is moving with shock absorber movement and alignemtn and distance is constantly varying, impossible to align the caliper with disk plate.
Tank got a total capacity of 8.5 liters. You can see a step inside the tank. Till that step, it holds about 2-3 liters. You can keep a check on that and don't have to carry petrol in bottle.
You can change the fuel float and if the meter is working, it will show the level.
Re: Kinetic Honda DX/ZX Thread.
Hello all!!!!
This is something very interesting ... why put acetone & boric acid in the first place? Acetone is a nail polish remover, boric acid commonly finds use as a cockroach repellant? When did a Kyni start using nail polish??And why should cockroach come near a Kyni?
Long time back one of my friends in Hyderabad had re-bored a Yezdi. Post which his mechanic told him to add 50ml Copra oil for the first 500kms.
Guys, don't know who gives you these "totkaas" as we call them in hindi ... please refrain from using them. A Kinetic Honda engine can give you more than a lakh km without problem. But, if you are into modifying the engine for performance then do things that have been tested. There are quite a few such mods which do give major performance boosts.
You will find my Kinetic story and dream here.
http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...kiney-kinetic-honda-dx-92-a-4.html#post434998
Please go through the 4/5 long posts and I am waiting for your suggestions post that.
I want to bring back this pocket rocket to its due glory. Help me ....
Till now I have worked on the two shock absorbers, the drive train and clutch. Changed one rim which was "out" as they say. Changed the accelerator cable. Fixed up the speedo. The girl does 90km thrice a week without any hiccups, returns me a decent milage of 44 - 45 kmpl. I reach top speeds of 72 - 73 kmph. Generally I putter around at 60-65 kmph. I put a halogen bulb (58/-) and it gives decent light on the state highways.
Ihave not cleaned the carb or the spark plug .. intend to do so next weekend.
So long for now
Kaushik
PS: My comments o top are not meant to hurt anybody's feelings. Its just that I find it so hilarious.
Hello all!!!!
This is something very interesting ... why put acetone & boric acid in the first place? Acetone is a nail polish remover, boric acid commonly finds use as a cockroach repellant? When did a Kyni start using nail polish??And why should cockroach come near a Kyni?
Long time back one of my friends in Hyderabad had re-bored a Yezdi. Post which his mechanic told him to add 50ml Copra oil for the first 500kms.
Guys, don't know who gives you these "totkaas" as we call them in hindi ... please refrain from using them. A Kinetic Honda engine can give you more than a lakh km without problem. But, if you are into modifying the engine for performance then do things that have been tested. There are quite a few such mods which do give major performance boosts.
You will find my Kinetic story and dream here.
http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...kiney-kinetic-honda-dx-92-a-4.html#post434998
Please go through the 4/5 long posts and I am waiting for your suggestions post that.
I want to bring back this pocket rocket to its due glory. Help me ....
Till now I have worked on the two shock absorbers, the drive train and clutch. Changed one rim which was "out" as they say. Changed the accelerator cable. Fixed up the speedo. The girl does 90km thrice a week without any hiccups, returns me a decent milage of 44 - 45 kmpl. I reach top speeds of 72 - 73 kmph. Generally I putter around at 60-65 kmph. I put a halogen bulb (58/-) and it gives decent light on the state highways.
Ihave not cleaned the carb or the spark plug .. intend to do so next weekend.
So long for now
Kaushik
PS: My comments o top are not meant to hurt anybody's feelings. Its just that I find it so hilarious.
Thread Starter
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Re: Kinetic Honda DX/ZX Thread.
Nail Polish Remover and Cockroach repellent works well for the engine only.
Yes, its very hilarious when a Cockroach starts to find a home in my Kyni and when Kyni starts to put nail polish.
It is good for engine and its life. That's why using it. If you have doubts about these, then please refrain using these.
Acetone and Boric Acid are internationally patented.
Boric Acid in the name of MotorSilk.
I forgot for Acetone.
I even read Moth Naphthalene Balls increases the octane rating of petrol, thus providing a higher compression ratio.
Nail Polish Remover and Cockroach repellent works well for the engine only.
Yes, its very hilarious when a Cockroach starts to find a home in my Kyni and when Kyni starts to put nail polish.
It is good for engine and its life. That's why using it. If you have doubts about these, then please refrain using these.
Acetone and Boric Acid are internationally patented.
Boric Acid in the name of MotorSilk.
I forgot for Acetone.
I even read Moth Naphthalene Balls increases the octane rating of petrol, thus providing a higher compression ratio.
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Re: Kinetic Honda DX/ZX Thread.
Hi RS!!!!!
Boric Acid is a mild hydro-carbon. It has superior lubricating properties. I guess thats why someone told you to mix it with engine oil. So that the engine components get more free movement. Check this
Boric Acid treated Grease For Wheel & Axel Bearing | www.MPGResearch.com
According to this article due to unrestricted movement the writer got better performance.
Acetone on the other hand in controlled quantity aids combustion. This has been tested in 4 stroke car engines. On the other hand its detrimental to the engine in the longer run. BTw naptha is a by-product of petroleum.
But, RS!! i will request you not to try this on this puny 2-stroke heart. In my limited period of using this cute vehicle, I am a happy camper. Treat it with TLC (which you obviously do) it will never ditch you. I am planning on bringing this pocket rocket to its old glory. Please help me in realizing it with your technical knowledge.
Regards
Kaushik
Hi RS!!!!!
Boric Acid is a mild hydro-carbon. It has superior lubricating properties. I guess thats why someone told you to mix it with engine oil. So that the engine components get more free movement. Check this
Boric Acid treated Grease For Wheel & Axel Bearing | www.MPGResearch.com
According to this article due to unrestricted movement the writer got better performance.
Acetone on the other hand in controlled quantity aids combustion. This has been tested in 4 stroke car engines. On the other hand its detrimental to the engine in the longer run. BTw naptha is a by-product of petroleum.
But, RS!! i will request you not to try this on this puny 2-stroke heart. In my limited period of using this cute vehicle, I am a happy camper. Treat it with TLC (which you obviously do) it will never ditch you. I am planning on bringing this pocket rocket to its old glory. Please help me in realizing it with your technical knowledge.
Regards
Kaushik
Re: The Mighty Kiney – Kinetic Honda DX ‘92
Hi Deville!!!!!
Thanks for your response. But don't think I will let you escape so easy. I will pick your brains to realise my dreams ,, and i am serious.
Remember i had asked you about the failure points of the bike. Initially you said not too many. If that be the case then why can't it do 400km a day .. and what makes you say that the bike will fail?? This is a very academic question. Check out some of the rides on Adventure Rider Motorcycle Forum. One guy rode from Australia to London on a 90cc Honda Postie. All i want to do is the golden Quad with the Kyni. Please help....
Lets point out the failure points. I will work on them in priority
Regards
Kaushik
Hi Deville!!!!!
Thanks for your response. But don't think I will let you escape so easy. I will pick your brains to realise my dreams ,, and i am serious.
Remember i had asked you about the failure points of the bike. Initially you said not too many. If that be the case then why can't it do 400km a day .. and what makes you say that the bike will fail?? This is a very academic question. Check out some of the rides on Adventure Rider Motorcycle Forum. One guy rode from Australia to London on a 90cc Honda Postie. All i want to do is the golden Quad with the Kyni. Please help....
Lets point out the failure points. I will work on them in priority
Regards
Kaushik