Can FIAT Re-Establish Itself in India?


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Afaik the sail and enjoy would be using engines sourced from fiat.

Regarding the product lineup, they were/are lazy. And i do feel they should have launched the freemont by now. The 2.0L MJD would have been a reason enough for people to buy a fiat.

There is a lack of vision from fiat. It is just a catch-22 situation where dealers are not given enough confidence to invest and then company too does not want to invest in a new product.
 
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Afaik the sail and enjoy would be using engines sourced from fiat.

Regarding the product lineup, they were/are lazy. And i do feel they should have launched the freemont by now. The 2.0L MJD would have been a reason enough for people to buy a fiat.

There is a lack of vision from fiat. It is just a catch-22 situation where dealers are not given enough confidence to invest and then company too does not want to invest in a new product.
Chevy will use because they can use it freely if the want too , they have developed the engine together they have agreement with fiat , they can use it , tweak it modify it . The diesel engine in Chevy beat is a multijet minus 1 cylinder which gm has tweaked and modified , for which they don't have to pay any royalty to fiat .To further clear your doubts read this -

http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/car...maruti-tata-fiat-and-general-motors-in-india/


Fiat are masters in small cars , they have amazing experience and they have so many wonderful products in their line up worldwide .and fiat cars have this unique style of retro and contemporary fusion . They are truly unique in every sense .

There seems to be a clear message form fiat group Italy concentrate more in south America and Europe that is the reason you see their best products getting launched in brazil , fiat in brazil is like maruti in India .
They recently launched Siena sedan ( can easily take dezire, manza sunny left , right center ) the new punto , Palio , UNO are launched there .

Bring your small cars and keep fiat brand , bring premiuim stuff under chrystler brand and SUVs under jeep they can easily give sleepless nights to every car maker in India if they wish too , it's not atall hard for them .

I feel very sad for the company in India but then at times I feel yes they deserve to be where they are now in India they themselves have dug a grave for themselves .
 
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Fiat status is maligned beyond repair. its not only in India but globaly.
Sometimes myself too feel sick to see Fiat Logo on such a good car called Punto. I wish Punto was made by Nissan or Peugeot.

I dont think there is such a remarkable thing in fiats mjd than no other.
Hyundai engines too are at par.Whole world knows that none can beat Toyota diesel in terms of reliability. It was the Maruti suzuki's diesal car success which made us aware what Fiat engine is other wise who cares or who else is buying Mjd anywhere else in this earth ?

After Raj_5004's sale of Punto, I am contemplating to sell mine too and buy an SUV like Bolero preferably pre-owned.
 
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Fiat status is maligned beyond repair. its not only in India but globaly.
Sometimes myself too feel sick to see Fiat Logo on such a good car called Punto. I wish Punto was made by Nissan or Peugeot.

I dont think there is such a remarkable thing in fiats mjd than no other.
Hyundai engines too are at par.Whole world knows that none can beat Toyota diesel in terms of reliability. It was the Maruti suzuki's diesal car success which made us aware what Fiat engine is other wise who cares or who else is buying Mjd anywhere else in this earth ?

After Raj_5004's sale of Punto, I am contemplating to sell mine too and buy an SUV like Bolero preferably pre-owned.
Multijet engine earned the best engine in the world defeating toyotas 1.3 engine, fords 1.4 and hyundais engine too all parameters were taken into consideration tech used , reliability and other stuff just for information .
Fiat UNO is the best selling car in brazil for many years consistently , you think it is possible if the brand is maligned ?
 
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After Raj_5004's sale of Punto, I am contemplating to sell mine too and buy an SUV like Bolero preferably pre-owned.
dont do that[cry]

i have had a hard time trying to convince hm to get a punto for his travel at his native place and all i can back is you guys ownership reports. [embarass]

ok it's fine, its your decision, but please do not go for a bolero. its bare basic and i feel it would be a step down for you.
(except the 97bhp bolero storme)

if possible try for a pre owned scorpio/safari.


Chevy will use because they can use it freely if the want too , they have developed the engine together they have agreement with fiat , they can use it , tweak it modify it . The diesel engine in Chevy beat is a multijet minus 1 cylinder which gm has tweaked and modified , for which they don't have to pay any royalty to fiat .To further clear your doubts read this -

What is common between Maruti, Tata, Fiat and General Motors in India? : Car-Nama


Fiat are masters in small cars , they have amazing experience and they have so many wonderful products in their line up worldwide .and fiat cars have this unique style of retro and contemporary fusion . They are truly unique in every sense .

There seems to be a clear message form fiat group Italy concentrate more in south America and Europe that is the reason you see their best products getting launched in brazil , fiat in brazil is like maruti in India .
They recently launched Siena sedan ( can easily take dezire, manza sunny left , right center ) the new punto , Palio , UNO are launched there .

Bring your small cars and keep fiat brand , bring premiuim stuff under chrystler brand and SUVs under jeep they can easily give sleepless nights to every car maker in India if they wish too , it's not atall hard for them .

I feel very sad for the company in India but then at times I feel yes they deserve to be where they are now in India they themselves have dug a grave for themselves .
see the comment of the report

Hiran Ramakrishnan • 4 months ago −
Author is wrong in some aspects. It was not jointly developed with GM. Due to a failed strategy (partnership with GM), a deal was made between FIAT and GM to get access for only 1.3 MJ of FIAT to GM. GM has no access to any other multijet variants like 1.9 or 1.6 or 1.3MJ2. This was considered to be one of the blunders (made by FIAT) ever made in automotive history. According to the agreement, GM still has no rights to make MJD outside Europe and import to Europe which FIAT can do. Author says engines are noisy in TATA cars hasnt exploited the capabilities of engine but true that even maruti coudnt (even though people buys it with a perception that maurti is cheaper in case of maintanance) Maruti is no longer cheaper to maintain (new generation cars). Its the most expensive to maintain out of all MJD cars if not to own.There is reason for it.
For each engine which maruti plonks, royalty has to be paid to Fiat Powertrains (FPT) and now for the new 100K engines they have to pay to FIAT India. For ECU, its a FIAT company again, Magneti Marelli which was setup in 2006-7 who makes ECU for all MJD and VW in India (this is an information to people who says maruti can tune ECU better 'Its not true so'. Also Magneti Marelli and Bosch supplies the parts for MJD which again is a benefit to FIAT and Bosch. Hence maruti cannot be cheaper else like their older generation cars, they have to promote duplicate parts in the market which FIAT may not allow.
I will come back to the point of usage in maruti. Maruti Swift platform is not made to marry with high end engines unlike FIAT. Maruti still uses its own transmission and mineral oil (people say the gear ratios are better) which forces it to service at a 10K interval. Breakes are extremely poor for such a capable engine. The schedule of steel body is again poor for a maruti as higher vibrations of the diesel engine makes it a rattle box after few 1000KMs. Its all purely my observations and no offense to anyone.
Another thing, FORD will agree to FIAT for the technology as the new FORD KA you could see in europe is fitted with 1.3MJ, not their TDCI
 
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dont do that[cry]

i have had a hard time trying to convince hm to get a punto for his travel at his native place and all i can back is you guys ownership reports. [embarass]

ok it's fine, its your decision, but please do not go for a bolero. its bare basic and i feel it would be a step down for you.
(except the 97bhp bolero storme)

if possible try for a pre owned scorpio/safari.




see the comment of the report
I have been talking about 1.3 engines only the 1.3 multijet is tweaked by gm check the wiki links .

Check this -http://wardsauto.com/news-amp-analysis/opel-launches-19l-diesel-kaiserslautern-plant
And this http://www.autoweek.com/article/20050610/FREE/506100702
And this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTD_engine
And this http://www.carkeys.co.uk/features/fiat-back-small-cars-and-diesels

And for using multijet in India read this -
http://news.taaza.com/source/836193...engine-for-its-upcoming-wuling-mpv-range.html
Further proof of multijet tweaked by gm in India read this
http://soulsofspeed.com/footprints/?p=945

Btw who is mr ramakrishnan who has written that comment ? Is he a credible source like Wikipedia ? Do you know his credintials ?
 
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Remember - articles in wiki , and reliable websites are based on facts , and comments at times are just opinions and most of the time not facts .( whoever that mr krishnan whose comment you have posted is just opinion until and unless he backs up his comment with relevant proof.
 
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Ohh man the thread have been hijacked to multijet discussions.

@Raja: Yes I agree to you. FIAT not concentrating much on India, else they might have brought few more cars earlier only. I think, they are already earning huge profit by providing engines to TATA and Maruti. So not interested much on selling the cars.

@Jayadev: FIAT's image is not maligned across the countries in world. It is just in India their image is screwed due to the reasons known to all. I am not sure if you all knows here but I read it on other forum that PUNTO is best selling cars in Italy since 17 years.
There is no need to sell your PUNTO man, Raj is selling PUNTO just because there is no one to take care of the beauty once he is off to UK for further studies.

I hope FIAT India comes up with few more models and get the separate dedicated FIAT dealerships and service centers soon.
 
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There is no need to sell your PUNTO man, Raj is selling PUNTO just because there is no one to take care of the beauty once he is off to UK for further studies.
My case is also similar I work abroad and even now when I typing this, my punto is rusting in Kerala.
Nobody to drive since last 2 months.My wife has refused to drive it completely as she finds it it too much inconvenient due to lot of reasons,Brother is in Bangalore.
in two years It has covered meager 20k km .
Road and traffic condition is not at all favorable for a car like Punto.

if I corroborate my own situation with others I can very well assume why fiat cars are not doing well.
 
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Ohh man the thread have been hijacked to multijet discussions.

@Raja: Yes I agree to you. FIAT not concentrating much on India, else they might have brought few more cars earlier only. I think, they are already earning huge profit by providing engines to TATA and Maruti. So not interested much on selling the cars.

@Jayadev: FIAT's image is not maligned across the countries in world. It is just in India their image is screwed due to the reasons known to all. I am not sure if you all knows here but I read it on other forum that PUNTO is best selling cars in Italy since 17 years.
There is no need to sell your PUNTO man, Raj is selling PUNTO just because there is no one to take care of the beauty once he is off to UK for further studies.

I hope FIAT India comes up with few more models and get the separate dedicated FIAT dealerships and service centers soon.
+ 100 and what you said . I was amazed to see that comment that worldwide fiats image is maligned .
In brazil fiat UNO is giving run of a life to VW gol which had been 27 years one of the best selling products .
Public forum is a place to express your opinions subjective and objective thats the purpose .

Subjective statements are for example - what you personally feel , you'r freind feels the panwala at the corner of the roads feels , express it but mention that it's your " subjective " opinion why ? Because it can be a misleading to the readers and they can assume it as a fact and it can influence their thinking in a wrong way .

Objective statements are based on facts and figures .so when any 1 makes a bold claim one has to prove it with facts .

I can very well say many owners are happy with safari so it's a best selling suv then Scorpio ( subjective opinion posted as fact ) .
but the fact is then some I comes and post this - aug 2012 safari -1085 units Scorpio - 4000 units ( objective statement based on true hardcore cold blooded facts .)
 
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I can very well say many owners are happy with safari so it's a best selling suv then Scorpio ( subjective opinion posted as fact ) .
but the fact is then some I comes and post this - aug 2012 safari -1085 units Scorpio - 4000 units ( objective statement based on true hardcore cold blooded facts .)
Dear Raja, Statistics never help a real life situation.

I wonder where you can show Fiat is doing well in recent times. Brazil has been their abode since long time and that is almost like a bread winner for them presently .I don't know if they are recovering anywhere but so far they are in limp mode.
Many many kinds of niggles in every other car ex showroom has put off the confidence in owners.
My friends from Europe Laugh at me when I say I have a fiat. They would say what Chinese is to world is what fiat is to Europe "poor quality,poor performance in gleaming package".
 
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My case is also similar I work abroad and even now when I typing this, my punto is rusting in Kerala.
Nobody to drive since last 2 months.My wife has refused to drive it completely as she finds it it too much inconvenient due to lot of reasons,Brother is in Bangalore.
in two years It has covered meager 20k km .
Road and traffic condition is not at all favorable for a car like Punto.

if I corroborate my own situation with others I can very well assume why fiat cars are not doing well.
If this is the situation, then better off sell your Punto than watch it rust every day. [cry]
 
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Fiat's Fall From Grace - Can Fiat Turn It Around?

Having done a SWOT /PESTLE analysis for Fiat, various alternative strategies and corporate level methods for its improvement have been stated and in comparison to some of its competitors it provides suggestions of benchmarking, adoption of cost-differentiation strategy for its growth and focus on important factors like market competition , current trends by doing a thorough analysis on their key competitors from time to time which will help them reduce risks .


Introduction

The Fiat Group (Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino), established in the year 1899 was one of the founders of the European Automobile Industry. It was developed under the leadership of Giovanni Agnelli and made a successful presence in the Italian market as well as the international market. The Fiat Group is now managed by Sergio Marchionne who is the CEO presently.

The Agnelli Family still controls Fiat by owning 30% of the shares for the Fiat Group.

Fiat also made acquisitions with Ferrari and Lancia in 1969 , Alfa Romeo in 1986 and Maserati in 1993 and considering this a decision was made to diversify towards the public transport .This was a crucial issue the company faced as it reduced the opportunities to make profit from its automobile sector which was their core business and the company faced heavy losses.

This report focuses on the problems faced by the Fiat Group in the year 2002 due to the decreasing sales and unnecessary diversification in other areas which resulted in low financial results of the company. Due to this financial crisis led to the company announcing staff reduction in order to reduce costs and also closure of some of its businesses. All this led to only further problems in the company like employee's dissatisfaction, low morale and loss of trust.

Other issues faced by Fiat during its crisis period to the various factors like poor management, lack of control on their marketing strategies, ignorant of the market needs/ competitions and so on, which led to the downfall of this world class reputed company.


Analysis/ Review/ Discussion

After having done a PESTLE analysis for the FIAT Group, mentioned below are some of the factors that are / would influence the company's strategies.

Political:

The past financial crisis of Fiat has made it take decisions to lay off some of its operations in certain countries which are not as profitable. Fiats decision of cutting down plants across the world has led to labour unrest in many countries as there are specific laws in regards to unemployment and downsizing or closure of some units in each country. This could affect the company's flexibility in implementing some of the new strategies.

Tougher car emission laws act as a risk factor as meeting the set CO2 emission of 120 g/km would mean increase in the prices of the cars. Current CO2 emission by FIAT cars is 140 g/km.

Economical:

The recession last year has resulted in increased unemployment which has decreased the purchasing power of the people, which would affect FIAT's overall sales in all sectors.

Following this the banks have started charging higher interests in the loans and have tighten their policies in giving loans to customers, which affects fiat's market as well.

The rising prices of the raw materials, especially Steel is an increased cost for any car company.

Social:

There has been a change in the consumer's buying pattern recently due to the recession, as a result of which customers are now looking for better deals and if a better deal in monetary terms in available from a competitor, costumers don't mind going for a different brand like Toyota.

Fiat has always had a small car image so the recent alliance with Chrysler is a challenge for FIAT as US market has a demand for bigger sized cars. Also in the past FIAT has had a bad reputation for its brand name due to the decreased sales so it is a challenge to make its place in the US market.

The current business strategy of mainly focusing on the European market to derive sales is not sustainable as they key players get an opportunity to explore emerging markets and establish themselves.

Technological:

The innovative Japanese technologies with rapid new developments are a factor affecting fiat's strategies. Competition from the german market with key players like BMW, Volkswagen, Mercedes with strong marketing strategies affect fiats strategies.

The upcoming 'Electric -cars' by Renault-Nissan, if successful might affect the sales and market.

The 'Peak oil' scenario expected in the year 2010 is a major threat for any automotive industry and so is for Fiat. As per research, the demand for oil in the coming years is going to exceed the production, hence there needs to be research done for alternative fuels.

Environmental:

With the environmental classification of cars nowadays, there is a tough market competition in place for FIAT as most automakers are aiming to make eco friendly cars with low emissions of CO2, something which only FIAT was manufacturing in the past.

In reference to the Porter's Generic Strategies, the Cost Leadership and Differentiation strategy combined together would prove fruitful for a company like Fiat.

Considering the recent alliance with Chrysler from the US, Fiat now has access to the US market. Fiat is well known for manufacturing eco friendly fuel efficient small cars, something that Chrysler doesn't have. This joint venture gives fiat an opportunity to make its place in the US market and access to the US suppliers, not only for its cars but also for the other products under the FIAT group.

Fiat needs to implement the cost leadership strategy by offering reasonable and low cost cars and fuel efficient , to the market, something that the customer's needs in the current financial environment. By offering this,it can make a global presence once it expands to the emerging markets like Asia, China & North America.

While still concentrating on the cost leadership strategy, the differentiation strategy combined would also be beneficial for the company as it would be profitable to offer cars in different markets as per the customer needs. E.g. In the US, the market is mainly for bigger family cars and Fiat is known for its small sized cars, so it might not be able to attract the US markets with the demand for bigger sized cars.

Similarly, in the European market, the demand has always been for small sized cars and also with the current rise in the fuel price people still are opting for small sized cars in this market. If Fiat does expand in the Asian market, the customer needs in those markets might be different to the European markets. E.g. In the Indian market, the demand for cars is emerging as per the status quo, people with a higher status often prefer small sized cars for style and status where as the middleclass people might opt for bigger sized family cars, keeping in mind their family so that it accommodates the whole family.

If the above two strategies are both combined and implemented successfully, FIAT would soon get back its position in the market as it had in the 1980s.

Considering the low economies of scale of the company currently, it needs to lay off brands which are not doing well which will cut down their costs and invest the money into global expansion.


Resource Implications:

Too much dependence on European market, ignorance and no significant development in the Asian market as they have a high demand for cars.

Further alliances in countries with higher demand for automotives, North American market, Asia.

Need to establish FIAT in US/Canadian markets - Largest auto markets in the world.

Come out from the small sized cars to bigger family cars while still keeping the vehicle environmental friendly and fuel efficient technology. Also try and meet the low emission figure set by the government as no other automaker has yet reached the target figure and Fiat is currently the lowest at 140 g/km. (target set - 120 g/km)

Establish an efficient supply chain network globally to meet the market requirements and handle the global competitions.

Knowledge Leverage- Using people and their ideas globally. Fiat is said to have involved approx 13,000 people at 116 centers across the world in research and development of technology. Based on this, the company can strive to compete with the rapid technology changes from other key players like Toyota.

Conclusion & Recommendation

Cut down on their sub brands which are not profitable and concentrate on manufacturing only certain models with good and latest technology as per current demands, considering the low capital in the business currently.

Expand the Fiat group in the uncovered markets like Asian / China market and establish itself as a global brand. Also expand in the fast emerging North American market.

Alliances with some of the Asian / Chinese car makers, which would act as a platform for promoting itself, thus resulting in gaining a market sector for Fiat in these countries.

Production of cars as per the requirements / location. US customers have a high preference for bigger cars; European market has had a demand for smaller cars for a long time, and in this current economy considering the high fuel prices and population growth, the demand is still for small cars in this region.

Increasing requirement for fuel efficient cars today. This is a crucial time for FIAT as they have been producing fuel efficient cars from the beginning and has the technology to manufacture the same; they now need to expand their market globally as this is the current requirement.

Focusing on the quality of the cars produced.

Downfall of some competitors like GM, OPEL due to the recent financial crisis, opportunity for FIAT to make its place in the market, with the strong management the company has. An opportunity for FIAT to restructure its strategies and productions to meet the current demand and requirements of the customers.

Exceptional marketing of their products, gateway to increased sales. Adoption of the Car Scrappage scheme, which gives a certain amount of discount to the buyers, gives way for attracting customers as it would mean paying lesser interest by customers if they have taken a loan for the vehicle. Such schemes would also prove to be profitable for FIAT as would result in increased sales as customers would be attracted to claiming the discount in exchange of their old cars.
 

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My case is also similar I work abroad and even now when I typing this, my punto is rusting in Kerala.
Nobody to drive since last 2 months.My wife has refused to drive it completely as she finds it it too much inconvenient due to lot of reasons,Brother is in Bangalore.
in two years It has covered meager 20k km .
Road and traffic condition is not at all favorable for a car like Punto.

if I corroborate my own situation with others I can very well assume why fiat cars are not doing well.
seems like an urban legend then, fiat owners do everything besides drive their fiats.

Raj is going to uk, hence cant drive a fiat, same with jaydev,
something similar with my friend too.
His dad has a fiat linea petrol in cochin, dad transferred to kolkata, both brothers in pune. Nobody to drive it and hence his fiat is literally undercover [lol]
 
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