I strongly believe that if Tata manages to shorten / lessen the height / weight of the Gold, and do something about the looks they will have a winner in their hands. I have great respect for that bullet proof engine, which may be as good as the one used in the Qualis. We can now see that the sales are picking up slowly.
Battle of the Entry Level UVs: Sumo Gold vs Bolero
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#272
Your wish may be fulfilled sooner than you expect.Overdrive magazine reports that TATA is developing an under 4 meter Sumo,and it has been designed by their British design centre.Here is the link:Exclusive! Tata developing mini-Aria - Overdrive
Excerpt from the report:
Excerpt from the report:
What's the power output of 3.0l cr4 engine in sumo? Isn't it 90 ps. Isn't this the same engine that the old 3.0l safari used which churns out 115 bhp? Why Tata uses a 3.0l motor to produce this much reduced power? 3.0l engine adds enormous weight to the sumo whereas a de-tuned 2.2l dicor unit will reduce the substantial weight which itself improves overall dynamics and FE.
It's somewhere around 84-85 bhp I guess that also at about 3000 rpm or near redline.
Hmm, yes and no.
The engine block can be said same but not the engine. The block is exactly same in-line 4 cylinder 2956 cc with bore and stroke measuring 97mm X 100mm.
But what makes difference is the way they are turbocharged, the N/A zone is nearly same but still, nothing is same overall in both the engines. There is a lot of difference in the tuning.
Cost factor my buddy, 115-120 bhp means a lot more changes in the chassis and suspension setup to tame the 115 horses. Also for the purpose the vehicle is built, I don't find any reason to give 100+ horses under its hood.
Rest, the 3.0 motor has enough capability to produce even 200+ bhp.
With the disadvantage of weight, this engines gives the Sumo some advantages too. For the people mover like Sumo, giving a detuned 2.2l Dicor can prove to be painfully underpowered in the N/A zone or lower revs. Though a lighter engine will give it agility and help improving dynamics but it will make the driving a painful affair, and if one adds a good VGT then again the costs will go on the higher side.
Hmm, yes and no.
The engine block can be said same but not the engine. The block is exactly same in-line 4 cylinder 2956 cc with bore and stroke measuring 97mm X 100mm.
But what makes difference is the way they are turbocharged, the N/A zone is nearly same but still, nothing is same overall in both the engines. There is a lot of difference in the tuning.
Cost factor my buddy, 115-120 bhp means a lot more changes in the chassis and suspension setup to tame the 115 horses. Also for the purpose the vehicle is built, I don't find any reason to give 100+ horses under its hood.
Rest, the 3.0 motor has enough capability to produce even 200+ bhp.
With the disadvantage of weight, this engines gives the Sumo some advantages too. For the people mover like Sumo, giving a detuned 2.2l Dicor can prove to be painfully underpowered in the N/A zone or lower revs. Though a lighter engine will give it agility and help improving dynamics but it will make the driving a painful affair, and if one adds a good VGT then again the costs will go on the higher side.
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I was actually thinking loud about how to make the car more stable at relatively higher speeds. This mini-Sumo, if it does come bout will not be in the avatar of a people mover, right?
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#279
Nope,will retain the normal UV shape.After the Aria debacle I don't see TATA burning their hands twice and develop a people mover.And even if they do,it'll not be a BOF heavyweight but a light and supple monocoque one based on Manza platform(codenamed X1).Lets see how things pan out for TATA in future,so far things are really looking very promising.
The basic engine difference between sumo gold and earlier Tata safari is that Gold uses fixed geomatry turbo where as Safari had variable geomatry turbo. Variable geomatry turbo gives more power but simultaneously eats more fuel. Fixed geomatry turbo eats less fuel and has no turbo leg at all. Also it is BSIV complient. Considering the nature of Sumo it was observed that use of variable geomatry turbo does not give any additional benefit. The top speed difference is also negligable.Then why not to use more fuel efficient engine with no turbo leg . In Sumo Gold CX(CR4) I have got 16 kms per litre average on normal roads(without AC.).Low cubic capacity diesel engine with higher power(bhps) are OK only for highway cruising. In a serious SUVs or MUVS particularly with body over frame design you need bigger capacity engine to get strong pull at low speed. SUVs with unibody ( like XUV500 or duster) are more suitable for very high speed cruising. But they have limited off road capability.
Yes this car has been designed to be used both on road and off road.I suggest you to take long test drive and expierence it yourself. Earlier Sumo was used only in taxi segment and corporate houses. In Mumbai at least it is now widely used as family car because of it's strength ,economic price and practicality. On Indian roads taller the vehicle , and shorter the turning radius more convenient it is to drive and handle.
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#284
First of all,
Happy Danteras to all.![[:)]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Smile.gif "Smile [:)]")
Vipps,
Have you driven Sumo GOLD yet? Looks like you forgot the request of your dear Xovy,shy!!![[cry]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Cry.gif "Cry [cry]")
Happy Danteras to all.
Vipps,
Have you driven Sumo GOLD yet? Looks like you forgot the request of your dear Xovy,shy!!
Happy dhan teras to you too buddy.
Well, buddy the schedule is very tight, but don't worry. I remember it and will do it for you for sure. You just need to give me some time.
Vipps,
Have you driven Sumo GOLD yet? Looks like you forgot the request of your dear Xovy,shy!!
Have you driven Sumo GOLD yet? Looks like you forgot the request of your dear Xovy,shy!!