Aspirational Indian Automaker Brand War

[sambit_mech]

Looking into VFM Factor and ASS network, my vote goes for Tata Diesel/Maruti Petrol. Hyundai cars are costly and others have poor ASS network (not talking about quality of ASS). BTW, my experience says that Tata and Maruti ASS have changed a lot (Tata towards better and Maruti towards worse).

Couldn't vote since couldn't find the voting button.

I would have voted for Tata since I love Diesel due to high cost of Petrol, lesser mileage of Petrol increasing the cost of running too much and lower resale value of Petrol Cars. If I were a rich guy, I would have bought a Petrol Sedan instead of my Tata Manza diesel (though my Alto - first car - is Petrol). Petrol cars with Turbo I would love to drive if I had money to buy and run them.

 

[DJ bro]

Well sir, I wonder why are you saying Maruti is worse?

 

[DJ bro]

I am surprised with discussion here by our few members
-Is a member is not allowed to express his own opinion and experience?
- Is it compulsory to be "objective" on a public forum If so then we could refer the spec sheet of car and buy it, why to have too many opinions from different members on same car ?
- Is it not allowed to write the displeasure about a particular car or brand as few members own those cars ?
I am afraid with this when members liberty to express the views within the forum rules is offended by fellow members. Wish Mods give some clarity on this please

Yes I agree to Gurrala. Although this is very OT here.

DJ Bro is being subjective in his opinion about a certain brand, but who here is not? We all here have our sets of issues with one brand or others and every one has right to speak out on public platform and that's what forum is all for. He may be right or wrong in what he has written is different perspective and we as senior members should be helping him to point out the mistakes instead of terming his comments as IDIOTIC statement. This is feel is little amateurish.

Thanks a lot for the support sir, but I have tried to be as objective as possible in every review and when comparing to other brand cars I have been in, really the Mahindra is quite low in quality front. I have just been vocal about what me and my friend generally felt!

 

[Ajay Sreedhar]

@DJBro
Your posts have been very clear. I think you should not be justifying your views multiple times.
We all can see you being neutral in your posts and yes as the mods pointed out its your right on a public forum.

 

[D.J.D.]

Hi DJBro,

I agree with Gurrala, Dharmesh & Sreedhar. I have been following this thread continuously and i can see your views are neutral. So no need to justify your views multiple times. Just keep up your good work buddy

 

[Godfather]

This was one very interesting poll based thread in the beginning and off late too much of unwarranted comments spoiling the essence. I am just a fellow TAI-ger but humble request to all to exercise restraint while making your comments. Everyone agree that this is a public forum and if that is the case each and everyone has the right to put forth their points and it has to be countered professionally and not by insulting. Hope peace will prevail in this thread so that the mods will not intervene and bring an abrupt end to the fireworks.

 

[Ajay Sreedhar]

Ok then back to topic. I am waiting for DJBro's post about the Honda's

 

[sambit_mech]

Well sir, I wonder why are you saying Maruti is worse?

In last 7 yrs, I have seen how Maruti ASS has deteriorated. So said worse, not worst.

 

[Simple_car]

I am surprised with discussion here by our few members
-Is a member is not allowed to express his own opinion and experience?
- Is it compulsory to be "objective" on a public forum If so then we could refer the spec sheet of car and buy it, why to have too many opinions from different members on same car ?
- Is it not allowed to write the displeasure about a particular car or brand as few members own those cars ?
I am afraid with this when members liberty to express the views within the forum rules is offended by fellow members. Wish Mods give some clarity on this please

1. Every member here has the right to express his opinion and experience. However, this wouldn't have been a discussion if it is one sided. To me, it is clear that, DJ is not being neutral in his reviews, and has a clear bias against certain brands; which would have been fine, but for his claims to be objective.
2. Yes, if you say that your review is neutral. Spec sheets never give you a full idea about a car, and hence there is a need for a neutral review by a good reviewer. I wouldn't have said anything, if Mr. DJ would have acknowledged that his review is subjective.
3. Of course, by all means. In fact, I would have added a few points that he might have missed on. However, it should then be touched upon for all brands.

Offended fellow members? Even though my statements may have been harsh on Mr. DJ, I am not at all angry. All I ask is that he pen down what his claims are, and clarify my own doubts which were raised in the very first post. What answers did I receive? The truth can be bitter, and I shouldn't say anything if my mindset is affected?? Is this your definition of neutrality? Just agree with people who follow your line of thought, and disregard the questions raised by others?
You are asking for clarity from the mods? Do you wish to have healthy discussions, or you just wish to have posts wherein people agree with whatever you/other people think is right? If that is so, please do say right now, and I will not post on this thread. My posts became harsh only when Mr. DJ refused to clarify the doubts raised by me, and stated clearly that he needn't do the same. I still maintain... If this is a neutral review (as per OP's claims), then he/she will justify his/her statements. And, once again, in case you forget, I am not at all angry with Mr. DJ.

Yes I agree to Gurrala. Although this is very OT here.

DJ Bro is being subjective in his opinion about a certain brand, but who here is not? We all here have our sets of issues with one brand or others and every one has right to speak out on public platform and that's what forum is all for. He may be right or wrong in what he has written is different perspective and we as senior members should be helping him to point out the mistakes instead of terming his comments as IDIOTIC statement.

A very valid point there Mr. Dharmesh. I have very clearly stated previously as well, that every person has some kind of brand loyalty, including me, and I don't see why not? However, my questions still remain unanswered, and hence the tone became harsh. I am open to different perspectives (which frankly is always better), however, if I have certain doubts or if I see some contradictions in the OP's statements, then it is only fair for the OP to clarify his stand OR clarify that his statements are purely subjective, and not neutral in any way, instead of saying that Mahindra and Renault owners are completely wrong in their thinking, and that the 'truth is bitter'. Now, that is amateurish.

I am just a fellow TAI-ger but humble request to all to exercise restraint while making your comments. Everyone agree that this is a public forum and if that is the case each and everyone has the right to put forth their points and it has to be countered professionally and not by insulting. Hope peace will prevail in this thread so that the mods will not intervene and bring an abrupt end to the fireworks.

Alright Mr. Godfather, if you think, that my comments are insulting, then, I will tone them down. Since, most members do not wish a healthy discussion, then I will not comment further. I hope, this will ok? Or do you wish me to apologize to Mr. DJ too, so that peace shall prevail? I don't mind doing that too.


@DJ Bro, this wasn't some sort of war, that you are thanking your supporters. Since, others do not want a discussion on this thread; so, just so that your fellow members can enjoy your reviews, I am apologizing right now. Please do continue and post your reviews. I shall not intervene henceforth. I hope you have the heart to forgive me. Apologies once again, and wish you Merry Christmas and Happy new year.

Thanks,
Simple_car

 

[raj_5004]

Mahindra: I personally never liked any Mahindra vehicle (for obvious reasons we know)

............

The Scorpio and Bolero had less space and bad quality! In stark contrast, the Rexton had the best quality! But the 3rd row is a clear joke! Mahindra clearly needs to do a lot of catching up to do!

Hi DJ_Bro,

I wont go into a lengthy debate since others have said a lot, but yes, even I feel that this report was very biased and portrayed your hatred towards a brand and nothing else. Around the forum, you have gone ahead bashing M&M without any concrete reasons and this is no different. That is just a personal opinion and I do not expect any response from you!

I can give you many reasons why I felt that, but since you quoted 'Simple Car' and said that it does not matter to you about what we think and why, I will leave it at that.

- none of the cars which you write on, have been driven by you. That itself shows, that you do not realize or know how to drive a particular car OR you have a very set mind as far as expectations from a car's driving mannerisms are concerned. Would have been nice if you would have clarified this. Every car is different, and has to be driven differently.

Thanks,
Simple_car

Well sir, I wonder why are you saying Maruti is worse?

He may have his own reasons just like Guralla and Dharmesh mentioned above -

I am surprised with discussion here by our few members
-Is a member is not allowed to express his own opinion and experience?
- Is it compulsory to be "objective" on a public forum If so then we could refer the spec sheet of car and buy it, why to have too many opinions from different members on same car ?
- Is it not allowed to write the displeasure about a particular car or brand as few members own those cars ?
I am afraid with this when members liberty to express the views within the forum rules is offended by fellow members. Wish Mods give some clarity on this please

DJ Bro is being subjective in his opinion about a certain brand, but who here is not? We all here have our sets of issues with one brand or others and every one has right to speak out on public platform and that's what forum is all for. He may be right or wrong in what he has written is different perspective and we as senior members should be helping him to point out the mistakes instead of terming his comments as IDIOTIC statement. This is feel is little amateurish.

Peace.

 

[Raja]

Thanks a lot for the support sir, but I have tried to be as objective as possible in every review and when comparing to other brand cars I have been in, really the Mahindra is quite low in quality front. I have just been vocal about what me and my friend generally felt!

Dj bro every review done no matter how the person tries to be neutral or unbiased is always a subjective review . It is our benchmarking of the product we review with the standards we have in mind . And the standards we have in our mind are also subjective in nature . ( for example the interiors are not good looking or good looking )

So reading a news posted in a newspaper is a objective fact , but a editorial in the same news paper on the same given topic is subjective in nature . Because the view on the same topic from a editor is his personal view and not necessary a truth or. A fact it's just the way he see the situation through his eyes .

Objective fact is a car comes with for example 100bhp . Subjective reaction = power is not good , or more then Adequate .

Sales figure , colors , specs , are objective in nature because they are universal facts , reaction to the above universal facts are subjective in nature always .

You find tata cars better then mahindra is ok , you are free and have all rights to enjoy that perception but that is your personal opinion and it will never be objective for the reason because objective facts are undeniable , some mahindra car lovers and supporters who will claim that mahindra cars are better will refute that claim made by you . And it is hard to prove them wrong either . And it will be like a hard debate debate between supporters of both the groups . Each one will feel they are biased in their opinions .

My humble request/ suggestion to you is henceforth when you take efforts doing such reviews to just add a * disclaimer * -> this are my personal views , and in no way are intended to hurt owners of the given car or brand .

The members will decide then how much seriously they must take your reviews and if they take it personally because their brand is bashed for whatever reason , they will be at fault for not allowing you to express your personal opinions.

I again give you +1000 for the effort and the enthusiasm in going to every showroom and penning down your thoughts .

Keep the good work .

Btw like ajay shreedar said when is your personal view on Honda , Toyota and Nissan cars coming ?

1. Every member here has the right to express his opinion and experience.
@DJ Bro, this wasn't some sort of war, that you are thanking your supporters. Since, others do not want a discussion on this thread; so, just so that your fellow members can enjoy your reviews, I am apologizing right now. Please do continue and post your reviews. I shall not intervene henceforth. I hope you have the heart to forgive me. Apologies once again, and wish you Merry Christmas and Happy new year.

Thanks,
Simple_car

See every person inherently is biased , every person you , me , everyone . And we see the world with some glasses , those glasses are the one which our culture , education , experiences , Environment offers us .

Objective facts are cold , un-inviting , less spicy in nature I hope you agree with this .
A forum is based on the basis of members coming and sharing their subjective experiences .

I agree that if DJ bro would added a line that this are my subjective views in the given cars this argument would have not happened .


I don't think you staged some war against him ,
But then we always have a choice to make someone understand the difference of objective facts and subjective experiences in milder , softer and in educative way .

Because people have different natures and not all are neutral in their approach towards cars which are basically machines .

There is also no reason in saying sorry or not continuing to share your views on the thread . Because the forum is essentially a place were we do get in debate .
So IMHO it's all ok and fine man cheers .

 

[Iron Rock]

Gentlemen lets stick to the thread topic strictly, lets not judge people but cars rather, opinions will differ, lets back it up rationally to keep the conversations engaging and constructive. Personal comments are least useful and and at best provocative in nature and adds fuel to the fire. Opinions of all kinds are welcome, but in the jungle err forum you will get challenged and your credibility is judged by what you post and how you back it up, how polite you are to others and how you help the overall cause of being an automotive enthusiast - i think that's largely why we are all here. so lets keep it nice and easy.

Its christmas - even warnings and infractions are on sale, please dont make the lazy mods work harder, they hate it!

 

[karthick raja]

I would pick based on the car rather than the brand. But, provided two cars in same segment both scoring competitively on every aspect which matches my requirements then , I will pick VW for its quality among the shortlisted brands.

 

[swiftshashi]

For me,Reliability takes the first preference. What's the use of Gadgetry when you can't drive the car??!!

 

[DJ bro]

I don't want anyone to apologize to me! Come on guys, we are friends and TAI gers, so some people's views and tastes may change, leading to such small arguments. Sorry guys, I can review Nissan, Toyota, Honda only when me and my friend get time, so kindly wait. I am in Chennai now, so would not be able to come online often.
Cheers and advance happy new year to all!