About To Book My Dream SUV (Thinking Mahindra XUV 500)
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Mate, you're mighty lucky I know! Good deal
I called the dealer and they're bringing the TD vehicle (possibly tomorrow) all along from Jalgaon for me! HOORRAAY!
1)For the accssories, even i don't like the chrome (esp on white. I maybe good on Black though)
2) Perfume I'll like, Idol i'm neutral.
3) Body cover... emm.. DO you mean that slant Chome strip on doors?
4) Reverse camera, I may take it if dealer gives free, Else reverse sonar works well I suppose? It shows Distance too as i noticed in one pic.
5) sound system thread here-
XUV 500 ICE confusion
Im really scared to touch the HU, but I cant live sans bass. Also boot space Issues. Lets see how things go.
Thanks again mate.
I called the dealer and they're bringing the TD vehicle (possibly tomorrow) all along from Jalgaon for me! HOORRAAY!
1)For the accssories, even i don't like the chrome (esp on white. I maybe good on Black though)
2) Perfume I'll like, Idol i'm neutral.
3) Body cover... emm.. DO you mean that slant Chome strip on doors?
4) Reverse camera, I may take it if dealer gives free, Else reverse sonar works well I suppose? It shows Distance too as i noticed in one pic.
5) sound system thread here-
XUV 500 ICE confusion
Im really scared to touch the HU, but I cant live sans bass. Also boot space Issues. Lets see how things go.
Thanks again mate.
There is one Sub woofer whose unit can fit into the so called "dicky" of xuv. I think from Kicker. It is wedge shaped unit with the base as wide as the space left after keeping XUV in 7 seater configuration. you can go for it along with some bigger kicker speaker plus a JBL amp
If you are definitely an audiphile and cant live without that extra thump, i would suggest you to go for a proper bass tube from JBL or any other good players and convert the XUV into a 5/6 seater config.
If you are converting to 5 seater no need for carrier on top but if you want 6 seater then you will have to get the carrier on top as well, for longer drives
The local shop quoted me around 20k for the Kicker wedged shaped sub woofer with a JBL amp along with installation. didnt ask for individual as I was not interested in it much.
The carrier on top costs around 10k.
I would suggest you not to touch the HU as it has many other system integrated with it.
Body car is the car body cover, the slanted chrome strips are the side body moulding in Mahindra's acc list.
If you are definitely an audiphile and cant live without that extra thump, i would suggest you to go for a proper bass tube from JBL or any other good players and convert the XUV into a 5/6 seater config.
If you are converting to 5 seater no need for carrier on top but if you want 6 seater then you will have to get the carrier on top as well, for longer drives
The local shop quoted me around 20k for the Kicker wedged shaped sub woofer with a JBL amp along with installation. didnt ask for individual as I was not interested in it much.
The carrier on top costs around 10k.
I would suggest you not to touch the HU as it has many other system integrated with it.
Body car is the car body cover, the slanted chrome strips are the side body moulding in Mahindra's acc list.
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#19
That's a good list of freebies that you got buddy. Back here it's like you take it or leave it, so these people don't let you bargain.
<B>Same here, But he will fall to something. Atleast door mats i feel. I would go for a Roof rack rather than everything else. </b>
+100 to that.
<b>Right, I'll get a roof rack right away. However, I'm calling XUV a 5 seater SUV with good boot space :-). I feel mahindra Should launch XUV 400 with 5 seats and save us some money rather than those kiddie seats. </b>
For some it works but for people like me i like bass though i don't blast the hell out of the volume but still like the feel.
<b>Same here, Sound Quality not Sound quantity. Running a 15 channel, Dual SUB custom setup at home. Could break my neighbour's windows after braking mine, But we are good people :-) </b>
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<B>Same here, But he will fall to something. Atleast door mats i feel. I would go for a Roof rack rather than everything else. </b>
+100 to that.
<b>Right, I'll get a roof rack right away. However, I'm calling XUV a 5 seater SUV with good boot space :-). I feel mahindra Should launch XUV 400 with 5 seats and save us some money rather than those kiddie seats. </b>
For some it works but for people like me i like bass though i don't blast the hell out of the volume but still like the feel.
<b>Same here, Sound Quality not Sound quantity. Running a 15 channel, Dual SUB custom setup at home. Could break my neighbour's windows after braking mine, But we are good people :-) </b>
Hello dear,
I'm looking for a Soft roader with good comfort and features. Show matters also. Off roading I have fortuner. XUV AWD does not make much sense as it misses low range gearbox so Im going 2WD version. Tata, I don't know. Against the flow, I seem to have good experience with them. Esp service guys. But new storme has very few features.
everyone has their reasons and physcological reasons are as important as practical ones.
I know people who went for XUV 500 just for the looks ,where ARIA was more practical to them.
Value I don't know much. But for used vehicles it depreciates damm fast no mattter which vehicle.
You seem to be well versed in Car audio. Good good.
I currently have few options in mind.
1) Use Pioneer 6x9 Dual speaker box from previous car and add an amp.
THis thread Cone Area Relation Chart
tells you that dual 6x9 should be equivalent of a 10 inch sub and save some space too. I will use the crossover on external Amps to turn these 6x9 into pseudo-subs. Not a bad idea as i'll need an amp anyways and 6x9s are simply lying around.
2)Add a PROPER sub (15inch) with Removable pin-system (have done before) and take it out in case of excess luggage. But i'll suffer weak bass on many trips this way. I'll pick option 1.
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I am not versed with car audio at all.... all I know is we need one HU, some speakers, some tweeters, sub woofer and an AMP to improve the output of the HU.
I am just trying to understand that the thread you mentioned is saying that 2* 6"x9" will be equal to 1*10" speaker, and you are saying that by using the crossover functionality you will change them to pseudo subs. So if I am not wrong you will get the efficacy of a 10" sub with 2 speakers and an Amp, and you are planning to use the stock speakers as speakers themselves. at the same time you are also saving the space.
Great thinking I would say. I never knew that speakers can be used as a sub woofer.
but where are you planning to fix those 2 extra speakers? in place of stock ones or in a different place?
and I am assuming option 1 will be cheaper as well.
I am just trying to understand that the thread you mentioned is saying that 2* 6"x9" will be equal to 1*10" speaker, and you are saying that by using the crossover functionality you will change them to pseudo subs. So if I am not wrong you will get the efficacy of a 10" sub with 2 speakers and an Amp, and you are planning to use the stock speakers as speakers themselves. at the same time you are also saving the space.
Great thinking I would say. I never knew that speakers can be used as a sub woofer.
but where are you planning to fix those 2 extra speakers? in place of stock ones or in a different place?
and I am assuming option 1 will be cheaper as well.
though it is possible but technically the output wont be the same.
A sub is a low pass filter which rejects high frequency signals in audio which then pass on to the speakers.
the Sub only provides output of those low audio frequencies (bass).
so even though there will be availability of bass, it wont be well defined.
an example as illustration.
a bulb provides heat as well as light.
whereas a tubelight provides better light and low heat.
so using a tube light for heating purposes wont serve the purpose.
A sub is a low pass filter which rejects high frequency signals in audio which then pass on to the speakers.
the Sub only provides output of those low audio frequencies (bass).
so even though there will be availability of bass, it wont be well defined.
an example as illustration.
a bulb provides heat as well as light.
whereas a tubelight provides better light and low heat.
so using a tube light for heating purposes wont serve the purpose.
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You are right, but here the compromise is space as well as decent sound output.
Sub is NOT a low pass filter. Thats the Crossover you're talking about. If you provide vocals/ Treble to the sub, it will play the same, but effect won't be as effective since SUB cones are made heavier and with more damping.
Once you get hold of Knowledge, There's nothing like car speaker/Home theater or Car amp/ HT amp or This speaker that speaker. You can use any and many combination of these and with some tweaking, you should get satisfactory sound. I have used Car Systems (HU and Amps, Speakers) in Home and installed Computer 7.1 in cars. Of course, a layman will prefer to simply buy the well known stuff and enjoy peace of mind. But it was not the layman who invented something extra ordinary eh?
Speakers are nothing but fancy air pumps. Their rhythmic movement action on the air generates the sound that we listen. That makes the cone area important, More cone area- More air is moved in each stroke. There are many other parameters like T/S but that's a very wide topic now.
Coming to the point, as long as the Cone is stiff (these pioneers are ) and your crossover is correctly setup, you can use any speaker as a sub considering you don't exceed the Excursion (X max). I'll try these onto my home SUB AMP and post your back.
XUV already has 4 speakers and 2 tweeters. I'll add these two 6x9s into the small "Dicky" and i have a neat 8 speaker setup for myself. Wish me luck.
Sub is NOT a low pass filter. Thats the Crossover you're talking about. If you provide vocals/ Treble to the sub, it will play the same, but effect won't be as effective since SUB cones are made heavier and with more damping.
Once you get hold of Knowledge, There's nothing like car speaker/Home theater or Car amp/ HT amp or This speaker that speaker. You can use any and many combination of these and with some tweaking, you should get satisfactory sound. I have used Car Systems (HU and Amps, Speakers) in Home and installed Computer 7.1 in cars. Of course, a layman will prefer to simply buy the well known stuff and enjoy peace of mind. But it was not the layman who invented something extra ordinary eh?
Speakers are nothing but fancy air pumps. Their rhythmic movement action on the air generates the sound that we listen. That makes the cone area important, More cone area- More air is moved in each stroke. There are many other parameters like T/S but that's a very wide topic now.
Coming to the point, as long as the Cone is stiff (these pioneers are ) and your crossover is correctly setup, you can use any speaker as a sub considering you don't exceed the Excursion (X max). I'll try these onto my home SUB AMP and post your back.
XUV already has 4 speakers and 2 tweeters. I'll add these two 6x9s into the small "Dicky" and i have a neat 8 speaker setup for myself. Wish me luck.
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friends I'm going for a td soon. please tell me if there's anything special to keep in mind. thanks.
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Hello Friends,
So i had the TD of XUV 500. Excited? Yeah. Booked ? Hell yeah! Arctic blue. oops! there goes my spoiler. Now let me walk you about the process of whats hows and whys...
We reached the showroom (satpuda motors, Jalgaon) in Noon and asked for a TD of the said vehicle. We were informed that the TD Vehicle was out and would have to wait for a few minutes. The treatment was not as warm or exciting and i was badly bursting in sweat. I felt i had landed into some furnace after stepping down my Fortuner (Thats what i drove to the place) and the Sales guy said that due to power problems AC is not working. There were no refreshments served or anything.
Meanwhile there was a XYLO standing besides and we thought why not check it out for the time being? The other sales guy was better and showed us some features. I climbed into Third row, and heavens! I could actually sit there. I think Xylo has one of the best third row among Indian vehicles. We took it out for a test drive and the Engine was lousy and too much body roll. The AC was out of order (Pity me) so again more sweat.However the ride was very silent and enjoyable. I feel XYLO is really and very much VFM car. Seriously consider this boy when you're looking for an comfortable MUV.
Now after coming back, The STAR had arrived.
0)My first reaction was, Its SMALL . ITS DAMM TOO SMALL. Folks please don't go over the perception of Internet photos or videos and such. Its MUCH smaller in real life that it seems. On Highway in the rear mirror or approaching us from high speed it looks BEAST, but stand near it and beast tames down. Feels small. Parked next to my Fortuner, Its small in every angle. Length but also width. It seems very large from far away but is actually smaller. Damm! How many times i've used 'small' here?
1)Even the interior , Buttons, Seats, Consoles themselves are 80% size of fortuner. My dad gave an Idea that large grille is giving mammoth impression but the car narrows down from there. Especially glass area is much tapered off than the wheel arches (good 6~7 inches) hence its small from inside. So for people who come from Safari/Aria/Endevour/Fortuner will feel the XUV 500 is small.
2)It looks MEAN in white! I mean look at the wide Grin!
3)The benefit would be that it won't bring you the sweat on forehead like safari or Fortuner does in tight city traffic. The views are open and vehicle is compact. also the AC is very powerful so any sweat will dy off. haa ha. However we have to be careful with puffed up wheel arches or these may be scratched.
4)I heard the Music on XUV . For vocals its fine, but as soon as i boosted the bass on my note the speakers started badly rattling and distorting. Woofer for bass lovers is a must in XUV. On the other hand, my Fortuner has factory speakers those sound way better than XUV and don't need a SUB that badly. I paired my phone via BT and it was easy, considering first time user of XUV controls. The sales guy could not configure GPS , but i believe it works. The Audio system has line in, USB in, as well as RCA out for connectting amps and woofers. There's no manual eq but you get some presets. There's no built in crossover . We can control the XUV music system (remote) from mobile or also play music from mobile with bluetooth.
5)Third row should be renamed as Torture chamber. Much worse than XYLO or Fortuner even. My knees kept hitting the second row back and there's very claustrophobic feeling. However there's separate AC and mobile charging socket there. Also Reading lamps.
6) I wonder why didn't provide sliding rails on the second row to free up some space in the last row. Middle row has ample space. Are you listening, Mahindra?
7)There's zero boot space with all seats up. Now I'm worried about my woofer placement. Maybe this SUV will be mostly used only in 5 or 6 seat config.
8) All the interior lights/ Indicators are LEDs. Reading lamps are bright (Pure white ). There's Loungue lighting option but colour unfortunately can't be changed (I'ts red)
9)The low beam projectors are Halogens and not HID! don't go by the looks. Headlights don't seem very powerful.
10)The TD guy could not get static cornering headlights working.
11) LED parking lamps seem to be low quality , China LED. The colour is almost purple and not pure white. They're not Bright.
12)Sound insulation is awesome. We need to really put that gear indicator display to good use. Listening music or Conversations are going to be very pleasant in this car.
13) Brakes give that infamous Grinding Noise and vibration that everyone keeps talking about. However the Braking seems fine itself. The same Vibration appears when Fiercely accelerating in First or Second gear. So maybe its the tyres and not the brake problem after all. XUV badly needs some AT/s. Perhaps Yokohoma Geolander that I've been Satisfactorily using for both Safari and Fortuner.
14)Steering rod rubs onto the Right foot when Turning at low speeds (known issue)
15) I hit a large recession in road when crusing at 80 and the vehicle felt stable. The car landed with a large THUMP but held its straigt line.
16)Idea of using a pull up ring for reverse is a novel and useful one. Because there are 6 forward gears on XUV
17) Engine Performance is similar to Fortuner but not better. However 6 gear means very silent and lazy highway crusing. The power delivery really starts after 2000 RPM and not 1500 RPM like Fortuner
18) Awesome Convex Conversation mirror to keep watch on naughty kids or just to make a chit chat.
19) Vehicle is really low and easy to sit into. My mom loves it. We don't actually need those optional foot steps for this one.
20) Genuine accessories (As I guessed) are Horribly Overpriced! Roof carrier- 14k~! Foot steps- 12k, Mats 3.5k, Chrome 5k. Camera the most useful and reasonably priced at 4k.
21)You WILL need the camera installed because all i can see in Rear view mirror are the faces/Headrests of occupants (esp third row).
22)There are headrests for ALL 7 seats.
23)TD vehicle had a Fuel economy figures of 13 KMPL (we can view on Mobile as well). In real world I shall expect figures around 14 KMPL
24)Ride quality and comfort is very good but not as good as safari. XUV takes in small potholes like breakfast but we feel slightly large potholes and undulations bone shaking.
25)After being roughly driven for a year, The TD vehicle felt very smooth and there were no signs of anything failing or breaking off. Thumbs up Mahindra!
So i had the TD of XUV 500. Excited? Yeah. Booked ? Hell yeah! Arctic blue. oops! there goes my spoiler. Now let me walk you about the process of whats hows and whys...
We reached the showroom (satpuda motors, Jalgaon) in Noon and asked for a TD of the said vehicle. We were informed that the TD Vehicle was out and would have to wait for a few minutes. The treatment was not as warm or exciting and i was badly bursting in sweat. I felt i had landed into some furnace after stepping down my Fortuner (Thats what i drove to the place) and the Sales guy said that due to power problems AC is not working. There were no refreshments served or anything.
Meanwhile there was a XYLO standing besides and we thought why not check it out for the time being? The other sales guy was better and showed us some features. I climbed into Third row, and heavens! I could actually sit there. I think Xylo has one of the best third row among Indian vehicles. We took it out for a test drive and the Engine was lousy and too much body roll. The AC was out of order (Pity me) so again more sweat.However the ride was very silent and enjoyable. I feel XYLO is really and very much VFM car. Seriously consider this boy when you're looking for an comfortable MUV.
Now after coming back, The STAR had arrived.
0)My first reaction was, Its SMALL . ITS DAMM TOO SMALL. Folks please don't go over the perception of Internet photos or videos and such. Its MUCH smaller in real life that it seems. On Highway in the rear mirror or approaching us from high speed it looks BEAST, but stand near it and beast tames down. Feels small. Parked next to my Fortuner, Its small in every angle. Length but also width. It seems very large from far away but is actually smaller. Damm! How many times i've used 'small' here?
1)Even the interior , Buttons, Seats, Consoles themselves are 80% size of fortuner. My dad gave an Idea that large grille is giving mammoth impression but the car narrows down from there. Especially glass area is much tapered off than the wheel arches (good 6~7 inches) hence its small from inside. So for people who come from Safari/Aria/Endevour/Fortuner will feel the XUV 500 is small.
2)It looks MEAN in white! I mean look at the wide Grin!
3)The benefit would be that it won't bring you the sweat on forehead like safari or Fortuner does in tight city traffic. The views are open and vehicle is compact. also the AC is very powerful so any sweat will dy off. haa ha. However we have to be careful with puffed up wheel arches or these may be scratched.
4)I heard the Music on XUV . For vocals its fine, but as soon as i boosted the bass on my note the speakers started badly rattling and distorting. Woofer for bass lovers is a must in XUV. On the other hand, my Fortuner has factory speakers those sound way better than XUV and don't need a SUB that badly. I paired my phone via BT and it was easy, considering first time user of XUV controls. The sales guy could not configure GPS , but i believe it works. The Audio system has line in, USB in, as well as RCA out for connectting amps and woofers. There's no manual eq but you get some presets. There's no built in crossover . We can control the XUV music system (remote) from mobile or also play music from mobile with bluetooth.
5)Third row should be renamed as Torture chamber. Much worse than XYLO or Fortuner even. My knees kept hitting the second row back and there's very claustrophobic feeling. However there's separate AC and mobile charging socket there. Also Reading lamps.
6) I wonder why didn't provide sliding rails on the second row to free up some space in the last row. Middle row has ample space. Are you listening, Mahindra?
7)There's zero boot space with all seats up. Now I'm worried about my woofer placement. Maybe this SUV will be mostly used only in 5 or 6 seat config.
8) All the interior lights/ Indicators are LEDs. Reading lamps are bright (Pure white ). There's Loungue lighting option but colour unfortunately can't be changed (I'ts red)
9)The low beam projectors are Halogens and not HID! don't go by the looks. Headlights don't seem very powerful.
10)The TD guy could not get static cornering headlights working.
11) LED parking lamps seem to be low quality , China LED. The colour is almost purple and not pure white. They're not Bright.
12)Sound insulation is awesome. We need to really put that gear indicator display to good use. Listening music or Conversations are going to be very pleasant in this car.
13) Brakes give that infamous Grinding Noise and vibration that everyone keeps talking about. However the Braking seems fine itself. The same Vibration appears when Fiercely accelerating in First or Second gear. So maybe its the tyres and not the brake problem after all. XUV badly needs some AT/s. Perhaps Yokohoma Geolander that I've been Satisfactorily using for both Safari and Fortuner.
14)Steering rod rubs onto the Right foot when Turning at low speeds (known issue)
15) I hit a large recession in road when crusing at 80 and the vehicle felt stable. The car landed with a large THUMP but held its straigt line.
16)Idea of using a pull up ring for reverse is a novel and useful one. Because there are 6 forward gears on XUV
17) Engine Performance is similar to Fortuner but not better. However 6 gear means very silent and lazy highway crusing. The power delivery really starts after 2000 RPM and not 1500 RPM like Fortuner
18) Awesome Convex Conversation mirror to keep watch on naughty kids or just to make a chit chat.
19) Vehicle is really low and easy to sit into. My mom loves it. We don't actually need those optional foot steps for this one.
20) Genuine accessories (As I guessed) are Horribly Overpriced! Roof carrier- 14k~! Foot steps- 12k, Mats 3.5k, Chrome 5k. Camera the most useful and reasonably priced at 4k.
21)You WILL need the camera installed because all i can see in Rear view mirror are the faces/Headrests of occupants (esp third row).
22)There are headrests for ALL 7 seats.
23)TD vehicle had a Fuel economy figures of 13 KMPL (we can view on Mobile as well). In real world I shall expect figures around 14 KMPL
24)Ride quality and comfort is very good but not as good as safari. XUV takes in small potholes like breakfast but we feel slightly large potholes and undulations bone shaking.
25)After being roughly driven for a year, The TD vehicle felt very smooth and there were no signs of anything failing or breaking off. Thumbs up Mahindra!
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Arya mate, I tried those 6x9s on my amp and i'm not satisfied. Altough they're better than default SUV speakers, They still rattle and run out of breath on some deep bass notes. I will somehow need a SUB installed into this vehicle, I can't live sans bass!
I guess you had a TD of the vehicle? Feel free to ask me any doubts you may have in mind. I had a long, really long TD
I guess you had a TD of the vehicle? Feel free to ask me any doubts you may have in mind. I had a long, really long TD
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Hearty congratulations on the booking and thanks for the detailed test drive buddy.
True, its even better than the Innova.
This was my first reaction too! I expected this to be atleast as big as the Aria.
M&M had taken a lot of feedbacks during the intial days after launch. Some of them were incorporated in the vehicle. My feedback was that the middle row should be on rails, its still untouched.![[roll]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Roll.gif "Roll Eyes [roll]")
It will work only above 30 kmph.
M&Ms are generally robust and build to last vehicles.
True, its even better than the Innova.
This was my first reaction too! I expected this to be atleast as big as the Aria.
M&M had taken a lot of feedbacks during the intial days after launch. Some of them were incorporated in the vehicle. My feedback was that the middle row should be on rails, its still untouched.
It will work only above 30 kmph.
M&Ms are generally robust and build to last vehicles.
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#30
Hearty congratulations on the booking and thanks for the detailed test drive buddy.
True, its even better than the Innova.
This was my first reaction too! I expected this to be atleast as big as the Aria.
M&M had taken a lot of feedbacks during the intial days after launch. Some of them were incorporated in the vehicle. My feedback was that the middle row should be on rails, its still untouched.
It will work only above 30 kmph.
M&Ms are generally robust and build to last vehicles.
True, its even better than the Innova.
This was my first reaction too! I expected this to be atleast as big as the Aria.
M&M had taken a lot of feedbacks during the intial days after launch. Some of them were incorporated in the vehicle. My feedback was that the middle row should be on rails, its still untouched.
It will work only above 30 kmph.
M&Ms are generally robust and build to last vehicles.
I heard that the static bending Headlamps work BELOW 30km/h. Thats how we take most of the tight turns mate. Can you confrim this? I've also heard that LED parking lamps and Static bending lamps are prone to failures.
Else let me know how is the general headlight performance? (You seem to be a lucky owner i guess)
For the sliding rails on Middle row, i saw someone from Bangalore do that from a tuning shop. If Mahindra does not listen, I'll do it and show them how's it done!
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