Why Hate Hyundai?

[vishnu vichu]

I'm a great fan of the Gizmos Hyundai car's provide. But never on the Handling side.

I've come across 3-4 incidents where the steering was very much prone to under steer and that too around 70-80 kmph speeds.

Once on an I20 and another on a Grand i10.
Both vehicles were stock and running on OE tyres.

I don't know the case with the Hyundai Sedans though. But what I've felt is what I've shared.

 

[furious_driver]

I'm a great fan of the Gizmos Hyundai car's provide. But never on the Handling side.

I've come across 3-4 incidents where the steering was very much prone to under steer and that too around 70-80 kmph speeds.

Once on an I20 and another on a Grand i10.
Both vehicles were stock and running on OE tyres.

I don't know the case with the Hyundai Sedans though. But what I've felt is what I've shared.

We all have different opinions and it is yours. No harm in that!

 

[dr_vm]

I don't think everybody hates Hyundai's.If so how can you explain their robust sales. In fact they are a very respected company even in Europe and USA.Check out I10 rating in the uk website of TOPGEAR.But we at this very good forum try to inform potential buyers the truth.And the truth is they need to catch up in the handling and steering feel segment.The highways are improving and we can safely do 130 kms/hr where the roads allows.Thats where the extra bit in grip and handling makes a major difference.Driving rashly is totally another thing.You can kill people even at 40km/hour.The amount of precious lives lost to drunken driving is again a point of deep concern.

 

[furious_driver]

I don't think everybody hates Hyundai's.If so how can you explain their robust sales. In fact they are a very respected company even in Europe and USA.Check out I10 rating in the uk website of TOPGEAR.But we at this very good forum try to inform potential buyers the truth.And the truth is they need to catch up in the handling and steering feel segment.The highways are improving and we can safely do 130 kms/hr where the roads allows.Thats where the extra bit in grip and handling makes a major difference.Driving rashly is totally another thing.You can kill people even at 40km/hour.The amount of precious lives lost to drunken driving is again a point of deep concern.

Great points! I understand our roads are getting better, but 130 km/h in current scenario except few expressways is seriously risky! I agree with high speed nervous handling, but how many times are we going to do that speed?

 

[allhyundaicars]

Great points! I understand our roads are getting better, but 130 km/h in current scenario except few expressways is seriously risky! I agree with high speed nervous handling, but how many times are we going to do that speed?

i still don't understand the high speed nervous handling. i have taken my santro , my i10 and even my verna on highways.

if someone is going 80-90kmph and you have to overtake you'll increase your speed , you'll overtake then move towards the left in front of it( 2 lane highways ) and it all is done without any problem. so where's is the high speed nervous handling if anyone could explain it to me , please do.

 

[furious_driver]

i still don't understand the high speed nervous handling. i have taken my santro , my i10 and even my verna on highways.

if someone is going 80-90kmph and you have to overtake you'll increase your speed , you'll overtake then move left and it all is done without any problem. so where's is the high speed nervous handling if anyone could explain it to me , please do.

Dude we were talking about 140+ . And to be frank, I can list down number of times I crossed 140 in my Xcent. I never felt nervous and the steering weighed properly.

I wrote that just for the sake of their reference, as they claim.

 

[incarnation]

if compared with maruti hyundai is far better any given day. but after i have gone through this thread i have a question, whether should i start a thread why people hate TATA . I am and will be a FAN of TATA but i don't criticize other cars. its an open forum everybody is open to express their views but yes we as auto enthusiasts should keep our personal liking to ourselves and resolve the questions raised with apt solution. if some person says something which isnt true then there needs to be certain proof behind the statement which would bring out the credibility of the post. lets discuss rather than throwing stones at one another. we all are here to learn and gain knowledge also to share the bit of knowledge we might have.
regarding speeds i never do above 100 only and only when im alone i might go till 120 but beyond that my mind gets disturbed as i have faced issues at such speeds with a lady just running on the middle of the highway to cross the road without even looking at the road. This is India and anything or anyone can come on the road and the person with big vehicles will be blamed. that's the rule so its safe to be in speeds which can be controlled before such things occur. and for a speed upto 120 i don't feel Hyundai has issues in handling. beyond that most of the cars in the Indian market has issues. so lets not go to that point. yes suspension was a problem in Verna Fluidic but this seems to be resolved in the new one. Hyundai is one company where they listen to customers and act upon it. guess this is something TATA should learn, not that they are not listening but not to the extent.

 

[allhyundaicars]

Dude we were talking about 140+ . And to be frank, I can list down number of times I crossed 140 in my Xcent. I never felt nervous and the steering weighed properly.

I wrote that just for the sake of their reference, as they claim.

nah i hardly go till that speed. you'll be surprised to know that i have taken i10 at those speeds more than the verna. and no not because i'm nervous

anyways , saw this from topgear review.

Honda City vs Hyundai Verna

Neither car offers any real driving pleasure. The earlier Verna was notorious for wallowy high-speed ride and super-soft setup. Hyundai has addressed this and reworked the suspension. The car now feels much more solid on the highway. Fortunately, low-speed ride hasn’t been affected; it stays the way it was – very good. But there’s still a lot of roll around corners.

The earlier Verna’s steering was also a problem. It was too light. On the highway, it needed correction continuously, which is tiring after a while. Hyundai has now made it heavier, and it doesn’t need constant correction. But it’s still not as good as it should be. There’s almost no feedback from the steering. These upgrades have made the Verna a better handler but it’s still nowhere close to being a real driver’s car

Ditto the City, although its suspension setup is slightly stiffer on this one. It’s more solid at high speeds than the Verna, but low-speed ride isn’t as good. You can feel the potholes much more easily than you will in the Verna. And the suspension is much noisier than the Verna’s. Still, like the Korean, there’s lots of roll through bends in the City as well.

The steering is light and offers almost no feedback. The biggest concern with the City’s handling is its puny low-rolling resistance tyres. You’ll struggle to get some grip through corners and fail miserably. Go through a corner a tad too hot, and you can tell the chassis can manage those speeds but the tyres simply can’t.

With similar ride and handling dynamics, both cars get a point each

and now i'm wondering if anyone reported this type of behavior in their ownership thread. will search for handling parts in each and every city ownership.

and if there's not much about handling characteristics on highway then your thread "why hate hyundai" will prove that many people just say things just by hearing them from others and not driving on their own.

everyone know the sales figure of the city , it's not better than the verna in the city ride ( talk about the irony ) and not that good on the highways than the verna but still sells like hot cakes.

why ? because honda city used to be good and people hear things from others. just like that verna and other hyundai cars had bad suspension setup which has been improved a lot but no one will say this but talk about nervous steering. " oooohh , the car will turn turtle as soon as you steer at 140 kmph )

 

[VISHNUCARCRAZY]

Honda city sells as it has good fuel economy both with ivtec and idtec, also it has more gizmos than verna-
Sunroof,touchscreen audio and Ac control.

 

[Releesh]

Hyundai is a globally appreciated company.Many may hate it or ignore it due to the affiliation towards maruti in India but truth is Hyundai makes good cars.
There are some misconceptions like service charges,spare parts cost are at a higher side for Hyundai,which is not true in the current scenario.Let us look at some of the good things Hyundai had done.

hyundai , service charge was very high earlier compared to Maruti. before 10-12 years, santro service charge was between 5-6 K rs. I ma not sure now adays they reduced this, But Maruti increased the service charge, so difference reduced . last month, my cousin asked the 30K km service charge for their 4 year old i10 sports and the rate they mentioned was Rs.9k. This car needed accelerater cable replacement, but badly not available in all cochin ASS for more than 1 month and bought from outside. there was a sound coming when switched on Ac,they said need to replace the compressor. Now we are ignoring the sound.

Wow! Never knew they had ABS in small cars way before. Did you mean i20 or i10?

It is santro. Yes Santro had ABS available as option earlier. ABS was avilable in Gets and Accent too

 

[incarnation]

welcome to India. word of mouth is the most powerful advertisement than the ads on TV which a company spends crores on. do we drive on tracks to follow these kind of feed backs or are we here to get the feel and say X brand is better than Y or just listen to the track gurus. please dont mistake me they drive a audi and a jaguar and say even they are not good enough. i guess what im trying to say is on Indian roads we cannot try the speeds they try on the track nor are we drifting in the corners and say there is understeer or oversteer. i mean are we going around a corner at the speed of 80kmph if we are we are called reckless drivers here. also we all know that here there is no rules that are followed while driving so the feed back by these gurus dont make sense to me. but yes for a purist it will definitely matter. by purist i mean those who purchase vehicles only for track these kind of people will definitely not got for a HYUNDAi they will opt for either a mitsubishi or german brands. not korean for sure. How many of us know the common rail that we are talking about now was first introduced by this korean brand in 2003 on HYUNDAI ACCENT CRDI. though it was not a success at that time credit should be given to bring in new technology.

@ releesh i did own a santro zip after i had owned a maruti 800 and believe me buddy there was just a difference of mere 10-15 % which can be given keeping in mind that one is driving 1.1L engine compared to 800. also service cost of Maruti Esteem is way higher than Santro. i speak this by experience. you should be well informed about this as you own a Esteem.

 

[furious_driver]

nah i hardly go till that speed. you'll be surprised to know that i have taken i10 at those speeds more than the verna. and no not because i'm nervous

and now i'm wondering if anyone reported this type of behavior in their ownership thread. will search for handling parts in each and every city ownership.

and if there's not much about handling characteristics on highway then your thread "why hate hyundai" will prove that many people just say things just by hearing them from others and not driving on their own.

everyone know the sales figure of the city , it's not better than the verna in the city ride ( talk about the irony ) and not that good on the highways than the verna but still sells like hot cakes.

why ? because honda city used to be good and people hear things from others. just like that verna and other hyundai cars had bad suspension setup which has been improved a lot but no one will say this but talk about nervous steering. " oooohh , the car will turn turtle as soon as you steer at 140 kmph )

I have read it a long time ago. City sales skyrocketed purely because of i-DTECH and it's awesome mileage and excellent rear seat comfort. And of course, the famous City myth! Owning a city = pride!

Verna is light years ahead of City in terms of power, city handling, highway performance, interiors, features and design.

Honda city sells as it has good fuel economy both with ivtec and idtec, also it has more gizmos than verna-
Sunroof,touchscreen audio and Ac control.

Not lot more gizmos. If you go feature by feature, Verna is way ahead of City, except Sunroof and Touchscreen(which can be fitted aftermarket) and whats with AC Control? Did you mean ACC? If yes, the Verna does have ACC.

 

[AutoRock]

What sells in India is package and MSIL & Hyundai have mastered the art of producing VFM cars those satisfy most of the requirements. Space-Check!, Cheaper than Europeans-Check!, Fuel efficient-Check!, Good ASS-Check!, Features-Check! This is where a normal buyer gets attracted and no guesses they have 60% market share between them.

Now things changes slightly when a enthusiast like us decide to purchase a new Car, isn't it?
Priority changes to ride quality, steering feedback, gear shifts, cornering, engine performance, NA or TC etc. And this is where Hyundai lacks little bit, compared with competitors.
Agree than not everyone will throw the car into corners and neither will drive 100+ whole day, but an enthusiast will!, and this is where German's scores.

German cars loose on space, ASS and overall maintenance, but no one can deny that those cars are hoot to drive! Throw them to corners, go 100+ and these will feel planted on the road.

Hyundai has been consistently working to improve their cars in these parameters, like 2014 Verna had better (little stiffened) suspensions than 2011 Verna. Elite i20 rides little better than earlier generation. But definitely miles to go before they get it corrected.

If one follows Verna on highway, you can easily see the boat like movement of Verna , no offence meant to the owners!

 

[furious_driver]

If one follows Verna on highway, you can easily see the boat like movement of Verna , no offence meant to the owners!

Haven't seen really! Will try in my next trip!

 

[incarnation]

sir as an enthusiast no second thoughts that the germans have that in them. but does everybody in this forum are in for only that. thats the question to be asked. the points you have made very valid and there is no denying the fact that german engeneering is far more superior than koreans. i guess when it comes to a drivers car everybody knows which one to go for. but the criteria in the indian market is not just driveability but whole lot of other factors come into the picture. for one i can say they are better than Maruti Thats strictly IMO only. it may change from person to person.