New Ford Figo 1.5D Engine Oil Leak: Cause & Solution?


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Stingray91 and Suryaputhra, I will list what I have inferred from your finely detailed discussion after having gone through them many times. Correct me If I have inferred otherwise.

The black assymetrical plastic box, next to the engine is the filter. A large dia black plastic hose, comes out of the filter and connects to the turbocharger. A small-section, black, plastic tube is flowing into this big black turbo induction pipe from the engine head originating from the area near one of the two circular black caps on the engine, the circular cap that is nearest to the battery.

I infer that two possible sources of oil leak are to be suspected.

1. The small section tube from the cap on the engine block is leaking oil because of air filter being dusty and obstructed thus creating vaccum leading to increased pressure on the parts connecting with the small section tube on the engine side.
Points opposing this possibility:
- Oil leak is much more severe to be associated with this source.



2. The turbo oil seal has ruptured and is leaking oil. This is supported by the fact(open to contention by some others) that none of the parts connecting with the small tube are prone to damage from the (supposedly, according to some) increased pressure arising out of vaccum created by obstructed and dirty filter.
Points opposing this possibility
- There will be a noticeable loss of power which is not yet apparent in my case.

My take:
I drive too slowly to know the difference in acceleration and loss of power to be made apparent by it. But I did feel the car getting uncomfortable in every gear at revs where it felt eager and comfortable a couple of thousand kms earlier. I also encounterd stalling the engine unexpectedly, like I was using a way too high gear, and rued at the rookie error several times after having driven the vehicle for more than 18000kms. This happened even on plain road just like on speed breakers. Now, I feel this might have been due to the episode of loss of power in its initial nascent stage. I dispelled my fears and chided myself then for getting paranoid.
If ts further confirmed that there is no valve or 'oil seperator' that could have been damaged leading the small tube to cause leakage then it should be the turbo that requires replacement. I will take long rides more often after getting the car and keep a close watch on the hose looking out for further leakage.

My doubt

Can anyone point the loction of the part mentioned as boot in this engine bay picture?
 

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Please clean the boot and seal it well, and change new connector hose, don't suspect turbo as of now, if oil level drops and white smoke appear when engine heatsup , and please find attached picture of my polo at that hose , its actually normal in all cars.
 

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@stingray91, Thanks for sharing a pic releavant to the issue. Please give some info on your car. When was it purchased? How many kms have you covered in it? When did you notice the leak? what does the service center people say?

This issue in your car is closely related to my car. Are you conveying that the issue is very common and all the dieselengines are bound to have this leak? Can we be sure of seeing this leak in all the diesel engined cars? I will pop a few hoods then.

Can the other members with diesel engined cars please check and verify the leak in hose as a common thing? please.

Ford people have gone for valve assembly replacement, pointing it as a source of this leak.
 
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@stingray91 thank you for sharing the releavant pic. Big help. Can I get to know the purchase date and current mileage of your car? When did you begin to notice the issue?

From what you are saying, are we to expect this hose leak in all the diesel engined cars? Will it be the same even in a ten month old car?

I am going to pop the hood of all the diesel engined cars I come across from this day on. I may even spend a day to conduct a survey at a busy fuel station just to me sure, because I find it hard to believe. And I will certainly visit the taxi stand to ask about this oil leak being common today itself.

This somehow should be an issue or the Ford people higher ups would have stated openly that all their cars are expected to start leaking within a year, wouldn't they? And If this is a 'normal thing' shouldnt it have started much earlier, right after purchase or atleast before the first 10k service?

Can some other people in the discussion share light on this type of oil leak in the turbo induction being common in all diesel engined cars?

Please do share some points to prevent the leak in future or atleast mitigate this. Will cleaning the air filter or changing the oil more often help?
 
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@stingray91 thank you for sharing the releavant pic. Big help. Can I get to know the purchase date and current mileage of your car? When did you begin to notice the issue?

From what you are saying, are we to expect this hose leak in all the diesel engined cars? Will it be the same even in a ten month old car?

I am going to pop the hood of all the diesel engined cars I come across from this day on. I may even spend a day to conduct a survey at a busy fuel station just to me sure, because I find it hard to believe. And I will certainly visit the taxi stand to ask about this oil leak being common today itself.

This somehow should be an issue or the Ford people higher ups would have stated openly that all their cars are expected to start leaking within a year, wouldn't they? And If this is a 'normal thing' shouldnt it have started much earlier, right after purchase or atleast before the first 10k service?

Can some other people in the discussion share light on this type of oil leak in the turbo induction being common in all diesel engined cars?

Please do share some points to prevent the leak in future or atleast mitigate this. Will cleaning the air filter or changing the oil more often help?
Its just a leak from boot , if oil levels are fine. ( short and simple answer from me)

Mine is 1.06 lack odo 1.2 tdi polo , and I do service myself or at local reputed service stations like castrol pit stop, I save 4 to 6 k from this, I diagnose and rectify issues with our team and mostly we do better than those OEM service station ppl , who have lots of targets and service schedule to finish and won't have time to properly diagnose rather than just replacing each and everything until issue solves and put a ton off bill on our heads.
And my leak was there always, ill just spray a degreaser and wash it off every once in a while may be 20, to 30 k once, (note: I do this for all the parts and even clean my intercooler and turbo hoses which will be lot of oily paste and grind on those with Diesel and put back , we do these in our team garage. As a hobby and keen of maintaining our cars inside and out. We have all tools there.
 
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I always noticed it, actually its quite common in many cars as off seen till date, because of this there always will be sediments of oil in turbo and intercooler, you can open and see it even on a 500km run car, my mileage is good, 19 to 22 kmpl
 
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I always noticed it, actually its quite common in many cars as off seen till date, because of this there always will be sediments of oil in turbo and intercooler, you can open and see it even on a 500km run car, my mileage is good, 19 to 22 kmpl
I havent seen it in almost any TDi ot TDCi like the extent it has been in @commuters car
There will be sediments agreed,but not to the limit of leaking.

Also moist oil leak is totally fine,but oil drop lets means either its un birnt state or from cooling circulation system which demands attention.

Thats what I was concerned about.

Also breather valves too shoudlnt have any oil in them if they are leaking, that too means internal issue right.
 
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I havent seen it in almost any TDi ot TDCi like the extent it has been in @commuters car
There will be sediments agreed,but not to the limit of leaking.

Also moist oil leak is totally fine,but oil drop lets means either its un birnt state or from cooling circulation system which demands attention.

Thats what I was concerned about.

Also breather valves too shoudlnt have any oil in them if they are leaking, that too means internal issue right.
I have nothing to prove here, just based on my experience , I have given my inputs for this issue.
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Thank you all for your timely inputs. Special thanks to @1989rs500 and @stingray91 for taking the time to consider my problem and provide detailed discussions that went a long way in how I understood the issue. Cars are made with inherent differences and what we get to share what we have experienced as obvious is a big help for others. Thank you very much.

I picked up the car on Tuesday, 8th November 2016 by 1800 hours. I left it there on 02, November 2016 and was dropped off at my place of work by the service center driver, very helpful. On Tuesday, the service personnel were courteous. They had safely collected all the bits I had thrown in the car like tire pressure gauge, dash cam, charger, usb cable and other small things. I was so flustered that I didn't worry about them at all! They handed it over to me as I sat in their waiting lounge. Because of the time constraint I wasn't able to spend time to pop the hood and check but decided to leave after feeling very positive and confident.

What aided my positive attitude at the moment was the amazing level of tidying and waxing done in the interior and exterior that were not necessary at all but were done to show their seriousness to keep a customer happy.

I popped the hood the next day evening and checked. I was concerned about the wiring of 4 hella lamps(55w), front cameras and parking sensor, especially because I had taken parallel wiring from the battery to the components activated by separate switches without touching the original wiring for the sake of warranty. Now feeling very happy for the trouble I went through not to tamper the original wiring. The accessory wiring guys were adamant in splicing the wires in the reverse parking lamp and the ignition but stood near them for hours together for the better part of the day, day on day, to stop them from doing the quick fix tamper.

Battery, though may have a contention on the warranty ,but for practical considerations, there is no cause for it to be an issue as I have a base model and the load on the battery and alternator without any gadgetry will be low, with me using the 55/60 bulbs and not switching on the fog lamps when aux lamps were running. There is no additional load on the battery at all. I went for the base model without power windows or music system for being trouble free (after using a similar specced Dad's Indica for eight plus years). The car has air bags though follow me home lamps, boot open warning lamps though!

The wiring was carefully tackled with and have been carefully redone by the service center personnel. All the gadgets and lamps were working properly. Upon popping the hood I was happy to find the shining new parts that were changed under warranty. The valve assembly, the breather pipe and the turbo induction pipe were changed.

I am continuing to keep a close watch on the engine bits for any signs of malfunction but not feeling jittery of dealing with Ford India.

Attaching the pics.
 

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The problem has cropped up again. I am yet to check the oil level in our car right from the day of purchase. Now that you have mentioned, I will do it the first thing in the morning. After having read about the ill effects of both higher and lower oil levels, I have decided to check the level regularly.
 
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Any update post this point @commuter? I'm facing the exact same issue on my Aspire. FAAS just ignored the issue saying its quite normal, but I suspect a serious issue in Plumbing or a manufacturing defect?
 
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