My New Honda City in White - The Albus

[Essarr]

Thanks Essarr for the valuable information. Have you upgraded the tyres & done sound dampening at the same time? I am asking this to just verify how much difference you have felt by doing sound dampening only? I believe you have done it yourself. Have you taken any pictures while doing it? Have you made DIY steps? I know I am asking too much but it would be really appreciated if I get more information on that. Mainly I am seeking answer for the question is it really worth for ANHC?

The wheels/tyres upgrade was done about a month ago (Pirelli P1 195/65R15 and alloys HRS H 172 15" x 6.5J). This was a major improvement in cabin noise (tyre roar) over MRF. Michelin Primacy 3-ST is also suppose to be a very quite tyre.
Soundproofing was done by my garage guys (but I was present) because I was also getting Oznium under-door courtesy lights installed at the same time, where the door panels had to come off. Sorry no photos taken
Soundproofing can be a DIY project, but needs a helping hand to get things aligned properly. As for the sound insulation part, I feel it is worth it. As for the thermal part, I have to wait and see. In fact, I am considering soundproofing the firewall and wheel arches whenever. Right now my priority is finding Bilstein B4 shocks for all four corners (understand they make for Fit and Jazz, but not City).

 

[bhaveshce]

Thanks Essarr for the information. I am also planning to do it as DIY. I will look for more information with DIY steps & photos before actually get going.

 

[Essarr]

...(Pirelli P1 195/65R15 and alloys HRS H 172 15" x 6.5J).... .

CORRECTIONS: Pirelli P1 195/60R15 and alloys HRS H 173 15" x 6.5J

 

[quraish786]

Hi

Did anyone go through the listings for the LED Headlights?

I was doing some more research and apparently even Philips has introduced LUMILEDS LEDS's

THIS is one of the listings.

Each bulb produces 4500LM of Light in just 45W (So basically Plug and Play)

That means more light that HID's without the hassel of Balasts or Higher Operating Temperatures.

Any Thoughts?

 

[Essarr]

Hi
Did anyone go through the listings for the LED Headlights?.....Any Thoughts?

I have all exterior lights changed to LED SMDs (thanks to Dr.Mudan, and to his specs), except the headlamp, which now has Osram NightBreaker Plus H4 Halogen at 55/60W. (which produces around 200+ lumens more than the OEM H4s at 1750 lm at its brightest).

Though I have looked at LEDs for headlight, I have not bothered to converted to LEDs, or HID (Xenon gas) for that matter, because of (1) cost, (2) practicality of replacement and (3) headlamp optics designed for H4 bulb. By that (3) I mean that with an LED bulb, the light-sources (which is on two flat surfaces) may not be optimized for the reflector housing of a Honda City headlight, and thus may not deliver the desired result in its beam pattern.

LED headlamp bulbs you have indicated will produce a lot more heat than an OEM standard or performance halogen (NightBreaker series or Philips Xtreme Vision series). When you say luminous flux rating is 4500 lumen per side, you are right away breaking the law (by blinding on-coming traffic). Idealy, these can only be used in off-road and motorsport rally conditions. The standard OEM H4 puts out 1500+ lumens, and believe me 1750 lumens from the NightBreaker is a real boon compared to the originals.

The colour temperature is another misunderstood thing. White light does not necessarily mean you can see better. 6000°K (degrees Kelvin) you mention is daylight, almost blue/white. I have found, in 30-odd years of driving, I prefer something in the range of 3000°K to 3700°K, which is broadly termed as 'warm white' these days. Any reason for my preference for warm-white? Perhaps when mankind first stumbled upon making fire and used it for his night lighting, it was certainly not blue in colour!

 

[quraish786]

My reason for research was mainly as an alternative to HID's. I did not want to install a ballast and the cost for Xenon replacement was costing me close to 10K.

Though I have looked at LEDs for headlight, I have not bothered to converted to LEDs, or HID (Xenon gas) for that matter, because of
(1) cost -

For those looking at HID's, the cost for LED conversion is significantly lower.
One because no ballast is required and it is just plug and play. So I can get the same luminosity from 40W LED for between 4-6K.
Secondly LED's have a life of over 30000 hours which in ideal conditions should mean that you never need to change them.

(2) practicality of replacement -

Again it is a direct fit. No wire cutting required. Just remove the old halogen and replace with the LED.

and (3) headlamp optics designed for H4 bulb. By that (3) I mean that with an LED bulb, the light-sources (which is on two flat surfaces) may not be optimized for the reflector housing of a Honda City headlight, and thus may not deliver the desired result in its beam pattern.

I have gone through most of the listings. All offer a 360 degree beam. Pictures attached.

LED headlamp bulbs you have indicated will produce a lot more heat than an OEM standard or performance halogen

These LED Headlamps have an operating temperature of only 40-80 degrees, which is lower than even the Halogens. HID's / Xenons have a working temperature of around 800 degrees. Both have similar luminous output.

The colour temperature is another misunderstood thing. White light does not necessarily mean you can see better.

Agreed. Yellow light certainly has more throw as opposed to white light. Although 3000 to 3200K is too Yellow for my liking.
4200 to 5000K is more warm white, the latter being my preference of colour.
6000K is pure white. This generally tends to blind oncoming traffic.

The LED's can be purchased for 3000K , 4200K , 5000K , 6000K or 8000K depending on your preference.

 

[missionmanali]

Gurus..completed Chandigarh Jaipur Jodhpur Udaipur Bhuj- Jaipur- Chandigarh. 3000 Kms Plus.Enjoing my ride.

PS: Friends who have stated that Cruise is having very limited use on Indian Highways-Hit the road guys..it seems a verry long time!!

 

[Essarr]

My reason for research was mainly as an alternative to HID's. I did not want to install a ballast and the cost for Xenon replacement was costing me close to 10K.

Nice analysis for headlight options and can be tried out.

Let me put this this way, new 1995 Esteem, sold in 2014, clocked 1,30,000-odd kms of which perhaps a fraction of that involved night driving, changed standard H4 halogen on the left side just once. I'm happy with NightBreaker, definitely better than stock H4. Dr. Mudan's comparative pictures of Osram NightBreaker and Philips Xtreme Vision shows Philips to have a better and even spread. Perhaps, will try them next. In the past, for 15-odd years, I have had Hella Rallie 100W off-road for high-beam and standard 55W for low beam (in a quad set up of a German car) and never had the need to use the high beam for navigation, just flash to blind on-coming idiots approaching with full beam.

4500+4500 lumen for these LEDs is still way too high for normal road use. Give it a go if you like.

 

[CRACING]

I have all exterior lights changed to LED SMDs (thanks to Dr.Mudan, and to his specs), except the headlamp, which now has Osram NightBreaker Plus H4 Halogen at 55/60W. (which produces around 200+ lumens more than the OEM H4s at 1750 lm at its brightest).

Same here, 80% of my car bulbs are LED based except the headlights and indicators are halogen bulbs.

@quraish786, my opinion about using LED bulbs as headlights aren't positive. Here is why:

1. LEDs are never a replacement product of HIDs or even halogen bulbs. It does look theory but not practically. Reasons are stated below.
2. Higher the LM of led, more its brightness but only itself and that harms very much for incoming traffic.
3. Again higher the LM, the throw is more but it spreads across instead of focusing in straight line downwards.
4. 6000K is not good for visibility, especially in fog.
5. In theory, LED life is 30,000 hours but we don't know its reality. It may burn right after powered ON or after few hours of usage or as rated if the bulb is happy. You can trust branded LED bulbs (i.e from Philips, Osram) but never on Chinese LEDs.
6. Heat is the another problem of/for LEDs. The LED bulb you have seen, has a big sink plus a fan affixed which needs to run without fail and dust free. Secondly, LED may suffer from engine heat since it will be near.
7. Investing in expensive products inwhich you don't have trust or it has no warranty, is not a good idea. Led you have shown costs, 6200+ INR.

Finally I wouldn't or anyone who has experience with LEDs would recommend a LED for headlights, it has more disadvantages then its advantages but if you wanna do a trial, then you are good to go.

Again it is a direct fit. No wire cutting required. Just remove the old halogen and replace with the LED.

I think it comes with a driver. Check the video below. Its the same type bulb but higher LM. Language is not in English though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-MfaPTa1NI

Thanks...
Best Regards

 

[Essarr]

@quraish786

There is nothing wrong in trying out something new (like LED H4s, in your case) and letting the rest of us know how it works out.

Think about this for a sec. We are all quoting and posting threads of our stuff in Dr. Mudan's original post. Any reason? Because, I would think that he has already gone thru the travails of trial and error over various 'aftermarkets' (I would include Cracing here too) and given us (also-ran) a database on what works and what doesn't. That, for me, is fair-enough reason for not wasting money on mundane stuff.

You can trust branded LED bulbs (i.e from Philips, Osram) but never on Chinese LEDs.

....even if Philips, Osram is made in China..!

.... happy bulbs...

Who's not looking for 'happy' LEDs.
-SR

 

[CRACING]

Think about this for a sec. We are all quoting and posting threads of our stuff in Dr. Mudan's original post. Any reason? Because, I would think that he has already gone thru the travails of trial and error over various 'aftermarkets' (I would include Cracing here too) and given us (also-ran) a database on what works and what doesn't. That, for me, is fair-enough reason for not wasting money on mundane stuff.

I too wasted some money in trial and errors but it did gave me experience and knowledge and I can share with others. i.e LEDs, com-paint, polish/wax and mistake in buying items with higher price tag instead of searching cheaper one.

....even if Philips, Osram is made in China..!

Indeed.

Who's not looking for 'happy' LEDs.
-SR

Well, LEDs in my car are very happy so far and I'm sure in your car too.

 

[vishnu vichu]

Well, I'm also thinking of upgrading my Stock bulbs on Amaze.

What would you guys suggest me to do ?

Go for the normal ones with more wattage ? or the LED one's ?

Is led bulbs are available in the range of 3700k - 4300k ?

6000k will be very poor in the fog, it seems. Kindly enlighten me with your knowledge

 

[bhaveshce]

Hi,

I need help. I had ordered this LEDs for my front parking light a.k.a position light. But when I tried to replace it, it seems that it is not compatible with the existing socket. Mine is Honda City S MT 2011 model. The LEDs which I have got has T10 socket. See below pictures of the existing socket of the current parking light. Am I doing something wrong?

 

[CRACING]

Hi,

I need help. I had ordered this LEDs for my front parking light a.k.a position light. But when I tried to replace it, it seems that it is not compatible with the existing socket. Mine is Honda City S MT 2011 model. The LEDs which I have got has T10 socket. See below pictures of the existing socket of the current parking light. Am I doing something wrong?

Possible to post pictures of the LED bulb you got? also a picture of stock bulb and the led bulb side by side.

By incompatible mean, the size of LED is different? The picture you have took of, is a socket. You have to remove that front (stock) bulb and fit T10 led bulb there.

I have the same LED (T10 9 x 5630 SMD White) bulb and it fits into T10 socket perfectly and the front parking light is indeed a T10 socket.

 

[SUNREX]

Hi Dr.Mudhan....got few installations...1) Reverse Camera, 2) Brake Lights [ordered for blinking one in aliexpress but got only simple brake lights to replace the reflector] and Yes 3) Pioneer AVH-X8690BT . my auto electrician advised me to not change any speakers as the OEM ones sound good. The only suggestion was addition of a sub with an amp. but my friend who is a service manager in Honda was against it saying amp drains the battery. uploading some snaps. video taken with my S4 is tilted by 90% to the left. wonder how to correct it? in VLC i can tilt correctly by menu options for viewing. members can pl tell me how to correct the video.