Maruti 800: Technical Issues & Solutions


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Happy to see your car being revived with all vital components.
Let us know if you have any queries.
hello Anand,
Thank you.
May be it is too late for you to give me some feed back because I never got any feed back from sumit sinha, shashi , silver - dove and you on time as regards your suggestions and experience on Gear Box o/h. Any way, I will have to go for this task tomorrow morning and keeping my fingers crossed.

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Strange problem happening with my 5 speed mpfi 800. when I drove today car stalled as if the petrol is low ,,and the meter reading is well above E mark..when i try to accelerate engine stalls and switches off . car started only after filling petrol brought form the pump in small bottle ,,after that i parked the car in the garage ,,what to do guys ?
 
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Strange problem happening with my 5 speed mpfi 800. when I drove today car stalled as if the petrol is low ,,and the meter reading is well above E mark..when i try to accelerate engine stalls and switches off . car started only after filling petrol brought form the pump in small bottle ,,after that i parked the car in the garage ,,what to do guys ?
Hello Harish Kumar,
I am not expert but I think it is simple problem of fuel clogging in the fuel filter, just get the fuel filter cleaned or replace it. fuel filter may cost you about Rs 75-80 but the labour would be about Rs 100. Also it could be some Electrical problem, may be Distributor , point condenser. A good Auto mechanic can solve this proble, I don't think it is of serious nature.

Once you get your problem solved, you can give the update for benefit of other members too.

Good luck to you.
 
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Hello Harish Kumar,
I am not expert but I think it is simple problem of fuel clogging in the fuel filter, just get the fuel filter cleaned or replace it. fuel filter may cost you about Rs 75-80 but the labour would be about Rs 100. Also it could be some Electrical problem, may be Distributor , point condenser. A good Auto mechanic can solve this proble, I don't think it is of serious nature.

Once you get your problem solved, you can give the update for benefit of other members too.

Good luck to you.
Thanks VR Shenoy
I will consult a mechanic and give update
 
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Task No 5 dated 20th March 2018 Tuesday at Bhat’s Auto Care ( 9 am to 5 pm, 8 hours Task ) on my M - 800 DX car of 1998 Model at 55457 kms ( assumed figure since Odometer stopped ), in continuation to my task No 4 dated 16th March 2018.
I am giving the details for the benefit of all the members (I know there are many experts who are already aware of these points but this is for the members who are not experts like me).
I never realised that it takes so much of time for this Task of Gear Box Overhauling but it takes, that too for the 1st time in 20 years my Gear Box was opened. Mr Harish Bhat himself was present every now and then since Engine, Gear Box, Carburettor, Clutch and Brakes are important parts of Maruti 800 Car.
- Only the Left Side Wheel was removed on putting the Car on Jacks.
- The Battery was removed.

- Coolant was drained and Radiator was removed. The Coolant was clean
as I changed the coolant few months back only. I wanted the Radiator to be sent
for cleaning but Mr Bhat on inspection said there was no need as even the fins
were cleaner and I seldom travelled on muddy Roads and I do clean my car
regularly there was no over - heating issues in these 20 years. So Radiator and
Fan was cleaned with Air Jet.

- Gear Oil was drained and though it was clean, I asked them to throw and replace
it with new Gear Oil though it was changed at about 43000 kms ( for the 2nd Time)
Gear Oil lasts for about 30,000 km in Normal case as per Manual.

- The Starter Motor was removed and then the Gear Box by loosening some bolts,
cover plate and one Mount ( they call this as Clamp). The Mount was changed
since it had a small crack on rubbery thing.

- Since Gear Box was removed, Mr Bhat inspected the Engine Mounts and said
they are fine and no need to replace them. On earlier tasks, he had opened the
Cover of Engine and it was clean and said there was no need to change the
Engine oil so soon as the run was about 1500 km only, after the Engine oil Flush
was done and New Engine oil was put .He said for Mangalore hot climate 20W50
is the good , though he keeps 20W40, semi - synthetic and also fully synthetic
Engine Oil of all brands like Shell, Wurth etc.

- Clutch was inspected and was good since Clutch plate and cover assembly was
replaced in June 2015 at around 52000 kms along with Brake Flywheel and
Bearing Input shaft at MASS Mandovi, costing about Rs 3600 at that time.

- Also checked all the Boots of Drive Shafts, all are fine, no damage or any grease
leakage.

- This is just to inform that the Gear Box is SGP and not MGP and of course now a
days spares of Gear Box are MGP. It is Aluminium and shined after cleaning. All
the Gears were in good condition. So also all the Bearings since those bearings
were made in JAPAN. Grease was applied on all the Bearings. There are totally 4
bearings inside the Gear Box plus a Relief Bearing and one Bearing near the
cover. So there are totally 6 Bearings. All the 3 Oil seals were changed – 2 are
called drive shaft seals and another one is called top Gear seal. There are couple
of Dummy seals and they were fine.

- In this whole Task, the culprit was Speedometer Gear and wheel, which were
damaged and replaced ( MGP). However to fit these 2 items, the entire Gear Box
is to be opened, so I used this opportunity to get the Gear Box O/H done, though it
is an Expensive affair.

- The Speedo meter Cable that connects the Speedo meter and Left Side Wheel
was changed ( MGP), as the cable had become harder and also at the joint that
Connects at the LH side Wheel.

- Before Fitting back the gear Box, The AC condenser and the entire Engine Bay
was cleaned with Air Pet and whereas it possible, the little bit dust accumulation
was removed.

- 2 Litres of Wurth SAE 80w90 Gear Oil was put in the Gear Box.

- Since I had some remaining MGP coolant in the MGP can, Coolant was topped
up.

- On fitting everything and rechecking, we did go for a long drive on airport Road.
I drove the car and it was so smooth and like driving a New Car. Since the Road
was not having more traffic, after a long time I drove at a speed of 100 kms
(Normally I never drive above 60-65 kms at this old age) after 20 years which I
used to drive on Bombay – Pune Highway 20 years ago at the age of 51 years
and did the same now at the age of 71 years in this car. Thanks to
Prince of India Rahul Gandhi, as the Air port Road was empty and 2- 3 lakhs
Mangaloreans must had gone to Nehru Maiden to listen to his interesting speech
and free snacks and cool drinks.

Well, now the Interesting and Exciting point is :::: After the long drive and noting
down the initial Odo reading and filling up the petrol tank, what a Surprise:::: I got
18.3 KMPL after 4 years or so and hope it will pick up in coming days on regular
drive like this.

- The Cost aspects and no regrets as I am happy because Clutch has good play
now, Steering is so smooth and acts like a power steering, pick – up of speed is
very good, no vibration whatsoever. Even both the Rear Shock – Absorbers and
Rear Coil springs were changed recently, coasting about Rs 3000.

Total for the Spare Parts was Rs 1710, All are MGP except Gear Oil Wurth.
- Speedo meter Gear - Rs 45
- Speedo meter Wheel - Rs 120
- 2 Nos Drive shaft seals in the Gear Box – Rs 120
- 1 No Top Gear Seal - Rs 40
- Gear Box Mounting - Rs 480
- Speedo meter Cable - Rs 280
- 2 Lts Gear Oil = Rs 580
- Grease = Rs 45


- Labour Charges - Rs 1750

Total = Rs 1710 + Rs 1750 + Rs 200 Tips = Rs 3660

The next simple task are Wheel Alignment, which will be may be free at Wheel Care as I bought my 4 tyres recently from them and they give free service after 500 kms run.. Then go for Full Car Wash and also shampoo wash for Roof lining which may cost about Rs 600 – 700/

So the Grand Total from 14th March till 20th March 2018 :
Rs 1279 + Rs 1765 + Rs 520 + Rs 1000 + Rs 3660 = Rs 8224
May be another Rs 600 – 700 for Full Car wash and Cabin Roof cleaning.

Attaching the following Photos :

1 - Gear Box Removed.
2 - Gear Box Side View.
3 - Dismantling Gear Box.
4 - Gear Box Opening 1.
5 - Gear Box Opening 2.
6 - Gears and Gears Seals.
7 - Relief Bearing at the end of Gear Box.
8 - 1st Gear.
9 - Gear Cover is Good but Gear Mount damaged.
10 - Clutch Plate after removing Gear Box.
11 - Damaged Gear Mount to be Replaced.
12 - Engine Bay on removing Radiator, Battery, Gear Box and Starter Motor.
13 - Cleaning Radiator and Fan.
14 - Culprit 1 - Damaged Speedometer wheel.
15 - Culprit 2 - Damaged Speedometer Wheel and Speedometer Gear.
16 - Culprit 3 - Damaged Gear Seals.
17 - Gear Box Assembling after Cleaning.
18 - New Speedometer cable.
19 - Wurth Gear Oil - SAE 80W90.
20 - Part No of Gear Box Mount and Speedo meter Cable.
21 - Bill dated 20th March 2018.
 

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Thank you Nanofreak ( Vinodji) and swiftshashi ( dear Shashi) for your timely suggestions which helped me a lot while carrying out this task no 5 and I took care of all the suggested points and happy to say that after about 4-5 years, the Mileage is now restored to 18 plus and wow the drive is really fantastic now and I feel like I am now 20 years younger, hahahaaha
 
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Task No 5 dated 20th March 2018 Tuesday at Bhat’s Auto Care ( 9 am to 5 pm, 8 hours Task ) on my M - 800 DX car of 1998 Model at 55457 kms ( assumed figure since Odometer stopped ), in continuation to my task No 4 dated 16th March 2018.
I am giving the details for the benefit of all the members (I know there are many experts who are already aware of these points but this is for the members who are not experts like me).
I never realised that it takes so much of time for this Task of Gear Box Overhauling but it takes, that too for the 1st time in 20 years my Gear Box was opened. Mr Harish Bhat himself was present every now and then since Engine, Gear Box, Carburettor, Clutch and Brakes are important parts of Maruti 800 Car.
- Only the Left Side Wheel was removed on putting the Car on Jacks.
- The Battery was removed.

- Coolant was drained and Radiator was removed. The Coolant was clean
as I changed the coolant few months back only. I wanted the Radiator to be sent
for cleaning but Mr Bhat on inspection said there was no need as even the fins
were cleaner and I seldom travelled on muddy Roads and I do clean my car
regularly there was no over - heating issues in these 20 years. So Radiator and
Fan was cleaned with Air Jet.

- Gear Oil was drained and though it was clean, I asked them to throw and replace
it with new Gear Oil though it was changed at about 43000 kms ( for the 2nd Time)
Gear Oil lasts for about 30,000 km in Normal case as per Manual.

- The Starter Motor was removed and then the Gear Box by loosening some bolts,
cover plate and one Mount ( they call this as Clamp). The Mount was changed
since it had a small crack on rubbery thing.

- Since Gear Box was removed, Mr Bhat inspected the Engine Mounts and said
they are fine and no need to replace them. On earlier tasks, he had opened the
Cover of Engine and it was clean and said there was no need to change the
Engine oil so soon as the run was about 1500 km only, after the Engine oil Flush
was done and New Engine oil was put .He said for Mangalore hot climate 20W50
is the good , though he keeps 20W40, semi - synthetic and also fully synthetic
Engine Oil of all brands like Shell, Wurth etc.

- Clutch was inspected and was good since Clutch plate and cover assembly was
replaced in June 2015 at around 52000 kms along with Brake Flywheel and
Bearing Input shaft at MASS Mandovi, costing about Rs 3600 at that time.

- Also checked all the Boots of Drive Shafts, all are fine, no damage or any grease
leakage.

- This is just to inform that the Gear Box is SGP and not MGP and of course now a
days spares of Gear Box are MGP. It is Aluminium and shined after cleaning. All
the Gears were in good condition. So also all the Bearings since those bearings
were made in JAPAN. Grease was applied on all the Bearings. There are totally 4
bearings inside the Gear Box plus a Relief Bearing and one Bearing near the
cover. So there are totally 6 Bearings. All the 3 Oil seals were changed – 2 are
called drive shaft seals and another one is called top Gear seal. There are couple
of Dummy seals and they were fine.

- In this whole Task, the culprit was Speedometer Gear and wheel, which were
damaged and replaced ( MGP). However to fit these 2 items, the entire Gear Box
is to be opened, so I used this opportunity to get the Gear Box O/H done, though it
is an Expensive affair.

- The Speedo meter Cable that connects the Speedo meter and Left Side Wheel
was changed ( MGP), as the cable had become harder and also at the joint that
Connects at the LH side Wheel.

- Before Fitting back the gear Box, The AC condenser and the entire Engine Bay
was cleaned with Air Pet and whereas it possible, the little bit dust accumulation
was removed.

- 2 Litres of Wurth SAE 80w90 Gear Oil was put in the Gear Box.

- Since I had some remaining MGP coolant in the MGP can, Coolant was topped
up.

- On fitting everything and rechecking, we did go for a long drive on airport Road.
I drove the car and it was so smooth and like driving a New Car. Since the Road
was not having more traffic, after a long time I drove at a speed of 100 kms
(Normally I never drive above 60-65 kms at this old age) after 20 years which I
used to drive on Bombay – Pune Highway 20 years ago at the age of 51 years
and did the same now at the age of 71 years in this car. Thanks to
Prince of India Rahul Gandhi, as the Air port Road was empty and 2- 3 lakhs
Mangaloreans must had gone to Nehru Maiden to listen to his interesting speech
and free snacks and cool drinks.

Well, now the Interesting and Exciting point is :::: After the long drive and noting
down the initial Odo reading and filling up the petrol tank, what a Surprise:::: I got
18.3 KMPL after 4 years or so and hope it will pick up in coming days on regular
drive like this.

- The Cost aspects and no regrets as I am happy because Clutch has good play
now, Steering is so smooth and acts like a power steering, pick – up of speed is
very good, no vibration whatsoever. Even both the Rear Shock – Absorbers and
Rear Coil springs were changed recently, coasting about Rs 3000.

Total for the Spare Parts was Rs 1710, All are MGP except Gear Oil Wurth.
- Speedo meter Gear - Rs 45
- Speedo meter Wheel - Rs 120
- 2 Nos Drive shaft seals in the Gear Box – Rs 120
- 1 No Top Gear Seal - Rs 40
- Gear Box Mounting - Rs 480
- Speedo meter Cable - Rs 280
- 2 Lts Gear Oil = Rs 580
- Grease = Rs 45


- Labour Charges - Rs 1750

Total = Rs 1710 + Rs 1750 + Rs 200 Tips = Rs 3660

The next simple task are Wheel Alignment, which will be may be free at Wheel Care as I bought my 4 tyres recently from them and they give free service after 500 kms run.. Then go for Full Car Wash and also shampoo wash for Roof lining which may cost about Rs 600 – 700/

So the Grand Total from 14th March till 20th March 2018 :
Rs 1279 + Rs 1765 + Rs 520 + Rs 1000 + Rs 3660 = Rs 8224
May be another Rs 600 – 700 for Full Car wash and Cabin Roof cleaning.

Attaching the following Photos :

1 - Gear Box Removed.
2 - Gear Box Side View.
3 - Dismantling Gear Box.
4 - Gear Box Opening 1.
5 - Gear Box Opening 2.
6 - Gears and Gears Seals.
7 - Relief Bearing at the end of Gear Box.
8 - 1st Gear.
9 - Gear Cover is Good but Gear Mount damaged.
10 - Clutch Plate after removing Gear Box.
11 - Damaged Gear Mount to be Replaced.
12 - Engine Bay on removing Radiator, Battery, Gear Box and Starter Motor.
13 - Cleaning Radiator and Fan.
14 - Culprit 1 - Damaged Speedometer wheel.
15 - Culprit 2 - Damaged Speedometer Wheel and Speedometer Gear.
16 - Culprit 3 - Damaged Gear Seals.
17 - Gear Box Assembling after Cleaning.
18 - New Speedometer cable.
19 - Wurth Gear Oil - SAE 80W90.
20 - Part No of Gear Box Mount and Speedo meter Cable.
21 - Bill dated 20th March 2018.
Shenoy ji, your attention to detail is mind-boggling, and the end result of the TD the yippee milage return, hat's off to your persistence on achieving your goals.

All the best.

Regards
Vinod

Edit: request to Mods. Please move Mr. Shenoy's post's to a new thread for benefit of all members for this excellent detailed task, thanks
 
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Task No 6 ( Minor Task ) dated 21st March 2018 Wednesday on my M - 800 DX car of 1998 Model at 55478 kms in continuation to my task No 5 dated 20th March 2018.
Took the Car for Wheel Alignment at wheel Care and it was done Free of cost, since I purchased all the New 4 nos Firestone Tubeless Tyres recently from them and they do this free service after clocking 500 kms.
Since I felt some kind of noise near the Fan Belt, I did go to Bhat’s Auto care and replaced the Fan Belt ( Rs 92 MGP ) and paid Rs 100, though I replaced the Fan Belt last year in March 2017 and nothing was wrong with the Fan belt as per the Mechanic but I asked him to replace it. The peculiar noise disappeared.
Then I did go to Car Bell Spa for the1st time, where they do Spa for Expensive Big Cars, Mine was the only tiny car and they put a young boy on my car to get it fully washed and for cleaning the Roof Top to remove all the black stains with Shampoo and applied some kind of polish (they don’ t disclose what kind of polish they use) to Dash Board and all the Door panels to make it shiny. The charges were reasonable Rs 300 for wash (of course they don’t have Lift or Ramp facility) and Rs 200 for Roof cleaning etc. I paid Rs 100 tip to the young boy who did good shiny work. Since I felt some kind of smell due to this dash polish, I did spray some Room Freshener and after a couple of hours that smell gone.
So all the 6 Tasks done on 14, 15, 16, 20 and 21st March 2018 cost me Rs 8824.
I am happy that the car is shiny again and the drive is very smooth and the Mileage is restored at 18 plus after 4-5 years, in spite of my struggle at other places for improvement in the past 4- 5 years.
Attaching the Photos :
1 - Fan Belt Part no.
2 - Clean Cabin.
3 - Clean Roof.
4 - Front View.
5 - Side View 1.
6 - Side View 2.
7 - Back View.
8 - Clean Engine Bay.
 

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From March 2017 till 21st March 2018, spent about Rs 48000 plus on Various Tasks and the Car drive is so smooth like a new one and the Mileage is restored at 18 plus with the recent Tasks in March 2018. Many persons buy a old M- 800 car of 1997 or 1998 for Rs 40000 - 45000 and then go on spending money without much success in the performance:::::::A single owner who maintains his/her car knows where to and what to spend to maintain and keep fit and make it run like a new car.
 
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Shenoy sir, take a bow. Your enthusiasm at this age is mind boggling. I pray I retain some when I reach your age. :)

Signing off, with some pictures of my March 2000 DX, 5 Speed MPFI, which will soon be crossing its 18th birthday.
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Dear Shenoy sir,

Kindly replace the rear emblems: Maruti Suzuki, 800 and DX. They have faded and are looking somewhat bad. I'm sure the car will look showroom fresh from rear once they are replaced. They'll hardly cost you around 100 rupees for all 3 emblems. :)
 
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+1 to shashi's views, it's remarkable your enthusiasm at this age to look after your baby, take a bow Shenoy ji.

As shashi has suggested change the monogram, or better to remove all for the clean look.

Regards
Vinod
 
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