Best Indian Car For Performance Mods?

[jayadev]

Why does I have a feeling that Pete's is always interested in skoda and swift..He have always ignored Fiat's.

Is it lack of competency or his fan-boy attitude ?

Fiat have incredible cars like Linea t-jet .
punto90hp.

when I inquired last, all he does is plug n play box and suspension upgrade and blamed the gear ratios in punto, so ?

 

[jeno_turbo]

Why does I have a feeling that Pete's is always interested in skoda and swift..He have always ignored Fiat's.

Is it lack of competency or his fan-boy attitude ?

Fiat have incredible cars like Linea t-jet .
punto90hp.

when I inquired last, all he does is plug n play box and suspension upgrade and blamed the gear ratios in punto, so ?

A fan boy attitude from a professional guy like him is not likely to be true. He has said that Skoda/VW provides more tune-able cars in India. And about the FIAT, it has the same 1.3 MJD engine like the swift. And i dont think he tunes swifts too. Just tuning box+improved suspension and brakes.

And my personal thinking is that , 1.3 engine has been already best used by the stock setup(like turbo and intercoolers not the ECU). And petes is always concerned about the reliability after modification and refinements issues. But just ask him if a garret hybrid turbo can be fitted.

This link might be useful
http://www.petes.in/images/Petes_car India March10.pdf

Regards,
Jeno.

 

[jeno_turbo]

Why does I have a feeling that Pete's is always interested in skoda and swift..He have always ignored Fiat's.

Is it lack of competency or his fan-boy attitude ?

Fiat have incredible cars like Linea t-jet .
punto90hp.

when I inquired last, all he does is plug n play box and suspension upgrade and blamed the gear ratios in punto, so ?

And the SX4 uses the same engine with Super Turbo Charger , so you might also try to upgrade it that way.And linea is an excellent car, offers superb handling, im a big fan of its looks. but don't you think it deserves a bigger engine?

Regards,
Jeno.

 

[TSIVipul]

Pete's always modify the engines which have mod potential.
They took Skoda 1.9TPi(@Reno:Octy never had 1.8 TSI,it had 1.9 TPi as much I remember)and 1.8 TSI because this engine does not require any strengthening for taking it upto 500 hp.
While for our dear 1248 cc multijet diesel,first of all its very small for big mods,secondly its a diesel and hence will require a lot more strengthening if its modded.Thirdly the results are still not going to be anywhere near the petrol ones.

 

[TSIVipul]

This year Pete has shown its hands on three Laura TSI's and here are the results:-
Stage 1 mod:-
200 BHP
0-100 in 7.9 secs.
0-180 in 24.85 secs...On my stock Laura TSI I once did it in about 29 seconds and 0-100 in slightly lesser than 9 seconds.
Price:INR 144050.

Stage 2 mod:-
320 BHP.
0-100 in 6.91 secs.
0-180 in 19.35 secs.
0-220 in 32.35 secs.
Price:INR 7,39,000.

Stage 3 mod:-
380 BHP.
0-100 in 6.43 secs.
0-180 in 16.80 secs.
0-220 in 26.27 secs.
0-240 in 34.82 secs.

Actually Laura couldn't be taken till 500 bhp because its a 1.8l engine.

 

[jeno_turbo]

Pete's always modify the engines which have mod potential.
They took Skoda 1.9TPi(@Reno:Octy never had 1.8 TSI,it had 1.9 TPi as much I remember)and 1.8 TSI because this engine does not require any strengthening for taking it upto 500 hp.
While for our dear 1248 cc multijet diesel,first of all its very small for big mods,secondly its a diesel and hence will require a lot more strengthening if its modded.Thirdly the results are still not going to be anywhere near the petrol ones.

I think you mistook tdi and tpi. The Skoda Octavia mk1 has 1.9 TDI, 1.8 petrol and a 2.0 petrol. 1.8 is more powerful than 2.0 petrol, because of the advanced technology.(8v vs 20v)

Å koda Octavia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This shows the list of engines available for the Octavia.


Regards,
Jeno.

 

[TSIVipul]

O yeah,you are right.
The 1.9 is TDi and 1.8 is TPi for Skoda Octavia vRS.

But I don't agree agree on the 2.0 point.Because european vRS is having 2.0 engine and produces 200 bhp.

 

[jeno_turbo]

O yeah,you are right.
The 1.9 is TDi and 1.8 is TPi for Skoda Octavia vRS.

But I don't agree agree on the 2.0 point.Because european vRS is having 2.0 engine and produces 200 bhp.

Yes, but the 2.0 200HP petrol engine is for Skoda Laura ( Skoda Octavia Mk2) in europe. Here we are talking about Skoda Octavia mk1( or simply Skoda Octavia in India).

The 2.0 petrol in Octavia mk1 just produces 113 HP.

Regards,
Jeno.

 

[TSIVipul]

Maybe that car hasn't got a turbo else the engine with higher displacement can get beaten by this way only.
Just add all those you have added to 1.8 and see how smashing 2.0 gets..

 

[jayadev]

Pete's always modify the engines which have mod potential.
They took Skoda 1.9TPi(@Reno:Octy never had 1.8 TSI,it had 1.9 TPi as much I remember)and 1.8 TSI because this engine does not require any strengthening for taking it upto 500 hp.
While for our dear 1248 cc multijet diesel,first of all its very small for big mods,secondly its a diesel and hence will require a lot more strengthening if its modded.Thirdly the results are still not going to be anywhere near the petrol ones.

I dont want 500 bhp from 1.3 litre engine. something of 140 bhp is more than enough for me. which will give me 127 bhp/ton ratio which will make me happier than with 80bhp/ton.

with that much of power and some weight reduction I think i will be more than satisfied.
but question is who can do it in India. wish I had some knowledge in IC engine I would have myself ventured into it.

 

[TSIVipul]

Who said you want?

Secondly,if you make your engine produce 140 BHP by adding some trickery then also no one is going to take the guarantee for this engine..
Buddy,then engine block is still not as strong as it needs to be for heavy mods.Instead you can try the 1.6 MJD engine from Fiat and get it modded.
Punto has got a big engine bay and fantastic dynamics and hence adding a 1.6l engine must be no issue for Punto.Only issue is that are you going to do it?

 

[jayadev]

Secondly,if you make your engine produce 140 BHP by adding some trickery then also no one is going to take the guarantee for this engine..

@TSIVipul,
What trickery and what guarantee ?

are you finding something funny here ?

Buddy,then engine block is still not as strong as it needs to be for heavy mods.

Can you elaborate on engine strength of 1.3 litre MJD ? how is it calculated and other attributes regarding same ?

 

[jeno_turbo]

Maybe that car hasn't got a turbo else the engine with higher displacement can get beaten by this way only.
Just add all those you have added to 1.8 and see how smashing 2.0 gets..

Again, its not just the turbo, Its because of the richer technology, The 1.8 engine uses 20 valves (5 valves per cylinder), while 2.0 petrol engine has just 8 valves (2valves per cylinder). And 1.8 is a DOHC, while the 2.0 is a SOHC.

Its like comparing a 1.9 direct injection diesel which produces 90HP(octavia 1.9 8valves SOHC) with a 1.6 CRD engine which produces 105 HP(Vento/Rapid diesel, 16 valves DOHC). And both the engines are turbo charged.

Hope this makes things more clear.

Regards,
Jeno.

 

[jeno_turbo]

@TSIVipul,
Can you elaborate on engine strength of 1.3 litre MJD ? how is it calculated and other attributes regarding same ?

@jayadev
If swift can be replaced with a garret hybrid turbo, then im pretty sure, your Punto can also handle the same (being positive). It will be a bolt on replacement. So contact peter again, and check if it can be done.

With a remap, bigger hybrid turbo , better injectors and exhausts. You can expect something around 140-160HP minimum.

And 500HP thingy was about Octavia 1.8 petrol not about the 1.3 MJD So never mind. PEACE !


Regards,
Jeno.

 

[jayadev]

If swift can be replaced with a garret hybrid turbo, then im pretty sure, your Punto can also handle the same (being positive). It will be a bolt on replacement. So contact peter again, and check if it can be done.

With a remap, bigger hybrid turbo , better injectors and exhausts. You can expect something around 140-160HP minimum.

@jeno, Can you explain something about garret turbo and its implications. what are the direct benefits of "garret"-means how much beneficial w.r.t cost ?
Pls do provide any link or contact of the same if you have.

@jayadev
And 500HP thingy was about Octavia 1.8 petrol not about the 1.3 MJD So never mind. PEACE !
Regards,
Jeno.

I do understand some part of it,so my quest is on.

the hurdles are:- somebody should have enough confidence ,enough expertise and patience to carry out such nerving things.I am not enough rich to afford a DIY trial and error yet.
I don't see anything impossible as of now , with kind of technology in hand we can do anything that is my belief.That does not mean I will have to import a new bigger engine(1.6L) and call it a day(let's not be funny here) .