ICE For Maruti Alto Under Rs.10K Budget

[VivekRj.Dieselhead]

50w is peak,normally all Head Units produces only around 15-20W RMS per channel.

Hey buddy, i would advice you to install your ICE stage wise. First get a decent HU, don't look for power in HU, as HU's power don't hold any value. Just get a good HU under your budget and connect your existing speakers with it. One of the HU i like most is JVC KDR90BT, its an audiophile grade SQ HU with low price tag of around 12K. If you can then go for it. And if you can't then see for at least 3 RCA pair while choosing a HU. And not to forget choose only b/w Alpine/JVC/Pioneer. Good luck for you ICE install. Just post here in case of any confusion or query.

 

[Petroholic]

50w is peak,normally all Head Units produces only around 15-20W RMS per channel.

There is no way a standard size head unit will output 50W RMS x 4 – they simply don't have enough surface area to cope with the heat output. Modern head units typically output about 15W RMS, give or take a few watts. The HU should be fulfill your needs of features which you wants. Don't spent more money on HU if Pioneer MVH-159UI is suitable for you. Next you can add a 2 channel amp for your rare speaker.

Some of my friends faced problems during online purchase.


My Dear you are right. I just calculating only 60% output ratio. and if we will put some best speakers in that case they will capable to handle a standard amplifier power. Butun wants to add an amp in future that's why I suggesting this combination of speakers.

I never knew about this.By this logic an amp will be required for even the most budget setups.Speakers costing just rs2000 have peak power exceeding 200W.

Even a rs5000 ICE setup will not perform at its best without an amp. Are you sure about this ??

 

[Aneesh]

I never knew about this.By this logic an amp will be required for even the most budget setups.Speakers costing just rs2000 have peak power exceeding 200W.
Even a rs5000 ICE setup will not perform at its best without an amp. Are you sure about this ??

Do not look into Max power,peak power,etc,RMS rating is the true power rating.See Sony - XS-GTF69382 ,Its rated at 420W Peak power whereas the RMS rating is just 50W RMS.So if you connect this to HU,It may play good upto 20w RMS after that it will starts distorting.Any one can correct me if i am wrong.

 

[Petroholic]

Do not look into Max power,peak power,etc,RMS rating is the true power rating.See Sony - XS-GTF69382 ,Its rated at 420W Peak power whereas the RMS rating is just 50W RMS.So if you connect this to HU,It may play good upto 20w RMS after that it will starts distorting.Any one can correct me if i am wrong.

Ya i know that RMS is the rating to look at while buying any speakers.

my Question is this-

for example i go for a very basic setup with a basic HU and 4 door speakers
something like this for example
Sony - DSX A30 - USB Digital Media Player with LCD Display - Buy Online @ Snapdeal.com
JBL - GT6 S266 - 6.5'' 220 W Coaxial Speakers (Pair Of Speakers) - Buy Online @ Snapdeal.com
JBL - 6.5" COAXIAL GT6 - S366 SPEAKERS - Buy Online @ Snapdeal.com

This is a pretty budget setup of around 7-8k.But even in this setup an amplifier will be required since RMS of speakers is higher than 50W.

 

[deville_56]

Ya i know that RMS is the rating to look at while buying any speakers.

my Question is this-

for example i go for a very basic setup with a basic HU and 4 door speakers
something like this for example
Sony - DSX A30 - USB Digital Media Player with LCD Display - Buy Online @ Snapdeal.com
JBL - GT6 S266 - 6.5'' 220 W Coaxial Speakers (Pair Of Speakers) - Buy Online @ Snapdeal.com
JBL - 6.5" COAXIAL GT6 - S366 SPEAKERS - Buy Online @ Snapdeal.com

This is a pretty budget setup of around 7-8k.But even in this setup an amplifier will be required since RMS of speakers is higher than 50W.

A basic setup can perform good without amp. I have a Kenwood HU and 2 door speakers and 2 400W (around 70W RMS) JBL ovals in enclosure. It still produces quite deep bass and windshield shaking performance without amp. Only thing is the Kenwood full ranges are not capable of handling the power after certain level. Adding an amp can improve performance of the ovals, but not a must have. See factory stocks for i20, Jazz, Amaze, etc. is powered by HUs lesser capable than aftermarket ones and speakers are of good RMS rating and they work charm without any amp.

Regarding Alto's setup only 4-incher in front, no option for door speaker and I don't advice on drilling door pad as it can rattle in a made-to-rattle Maruti at a later stage.

Anyway, have to get either parcel tray or enclosure to mount rear speaker, which will add 1-1.5k for decent ones.

 

[Mahender Singh]

please advise me too guys, i also planning to get some ice improvement in my alto.

Presently car is with Dad, and he have put it with very basic local headunit (chinese type) with 2 speakers on rear parcel tray. 2 tweeters are hanging on A piller too, not sure if they are working though.

i want to add 4 inch speakers in dash board. i'm satisfied with present setup also, as i just want to listen songs while driving, nothing great. Just some very basic setup to enjoy drive.
Dad got all that with 2000 i guess, Rs 700-800 for head unit and some 1000+ for speakers.

suggest something. Present speakers gave up on high volumes with Bass.

 

[deville_56]

please advise me too guys, i also planning to get some ice improvement in my alto.

Presently car is with Dad, and he have put it with very basic local headunit (chinese type) with 2 speakers on rear parcel tray. 2 tweeters are hanging on A piller too, not sure if they are working though.

i want to add 4 inch speakers in dash board. i'm satisfied with present setup also, as i just want to listen songs while driving, nothing great. Just some very basic setup to enjoy drive.
Dad got all that with 2000 i guess, Rs 700-800 for head unit and some 1000+ for speakers.

suggest something. Present speakers gave up on high volumes with Bass.

I think you need to change the entire setup.

 

[Viru]

I have actually set up a brilliant setup with a similar budget just last year!

Your first priority should be the head unit, don't skimp here, because it will make a HUGE difference!

I would recommend the JBL GT-X333 (GT-X555 if you want to play CDs) Head Unit, it has 50x4 W Peak output.

When it comes to speakers, there is actually a noticeable difference in quality between 4" and 6", so I would recommend getting 4 JVC or Sony speakers if you can get 6" fitted. If your provision is for 4" may be able to fit 5.25" speakers, in which case look for Alpine or Sony speakers.

Also, don't get carried away by tweeters! Although they may seem tempting, you will be better off with buying 3- or 4-way speakers, which have inbuilt tweeters.

 

[deville_56]

I have actually set up a brilliant setup with a similar budget just last year!

Your first priority should be the head unit, don't skimp here, because it will make a HUGE difference!

I would recommend the JBL GT-X333 (GT-X555 if you want to play CDs) Head Unit, it has 50x4 W Peak output.

When it comes to speakers, there is actually a noticeable difference in quality between 4" and 6", so I would recommend getting 4 JVC or Sony speakers if you can get 6" fitted. If your provision is for 4" may be able to fit 5.25" speakers, in which case look for Alpine or Sony speakers.

Also, don't get carried away by tweeters! Although they may seem tempting, you will be better off with buying 3- or 4-way speakers, which have inbuilt tweeters.

JBL GT-X333/GT-X555 were the crappiest HUs and were big flops, they withdrew from market. Now Pioneer/JVC/Kenwood/Sony for disc-less HUs in the 3-3.5k range bracket.

Again, Sony speakers are very inferior comparing other brands like JBL. JBL got budget range, the CS-series and performance range GTO-series.

When speaker in installed in door, tweeters make hell lot of difference. I have a JBL GTO 2-way in door and tweeter in A pillar, still it's just optional.

 

[Viru]

JBL GT-X333/GT-X555 were the crappiest HUs and were big flops, they withdrew from market. Now Pioneer/JVC/Kenwood/Sony for disc-less HUs in the 3-3.5k range bracket.

Again, Sony speakers are very inferior comparing other brands like JBL. JBL got budget range, the CS-series and performance range GTO-series.

When speaker in installed in door, tweeters make hell lot of difference. I have a JBL GTO 2-way in door and tweeter in A pillar, still it's just optional.

Out of my 3 cars, one has a Sony HU, one has a Pioneer and one has a JBL and the JBL one gives me the best, richest sounding output by miles, especially in the lower range!
This is not a matter of just internet research either, it is experience!

Don't go Kenwood though.

Sony speakers may lack the same balance as the more expensive JBLs but they are much better than the JBL budget range, which even feels much flimsier!

That's because a 2-way speaker doesn't have an independent tweeter, which is why I was recommending a 3- or 4-way, because their inbuilt tweeters (and microtweeter in 4-way) eliminate the need for separate ones!

 

[deville_56]

Out of my 3 cars, one has a Sony HU, one has a Pioneer and one has a JBL and the JBL one gives me the best, richest sounding output by miles, especially in the lower range!
This is not a matter of just internet research either, it is experience!

I tried tuning on the 333s and SQ was pathetic, purely in the Chinese HU range despite having Rainbow components. Tuning options very much limited. Sony HU also not so great. Premature failure and heats up real fast.

 

[deville_56]

Don't go Kenwood though.

Kenwood offers best SQ in the budget market. I am running on one for 7 years.

Sony speakers may lack the same balance as the more expensive JBLs but they are much better than the JBL budget range, which even feels much flimsier!

Most of the guys goes for Spny speaker just because it was promoted by the Seller/dealer. Most end up replacing it with better stuff.

That's because a 2-way speaker doesn't have an independent tweeter, which is why I was recommending a 3- or 4-way, because their inbuilt tweeters (and microtweeter in 4-way) eliminate the need for separate ones!

Finding 3 or 4 way in 4-5-6-inch door speaker is very hard and if any, will be in the premium range.

 

[Viru]

I tried tuning on the 333s and SQ was pathetic, purely in the Chinese HU range despite having Rainbow components. Tuning options very much limited. Sony HU also not so great. Premature failure and heats up real fast.

Maybe your sound system just wasn't set up properly, or the input quality was probably bad, because the quality I have experienced with the 333 is unparalleled.
The tuning options are perfect for tailoring the audio to your own taste with minimal effort.

Yea, not a huge fan of the Sony HU, build quality is not great either.

Kenwood offers best SQ in the budget market. I am running on one for 7 years.



Most of the guys goes for Spny speaker just because it was promoted by the Seller/dealer. Most end up replacing it with better stuff.



Finding 3 or 4 way in 4-5-6-inch door speaker is very hard and if any, will be in the premium range.

Kenwood sound is very unnatural, especially when you use digital input.

If you knew me you would know how little I listen to salespeople

The new 6.5 inch Sony 3-way speakers are pretty good, they do not struggle even at high volume!

Availability may have been a problem 6 months ago but there's plenty of 5.25 inch 3 way speakers in the market as well now! Although if you can only fit 4 inches you will need extra tweeters.

And although they cost a bit extra, they cost less than 2-ways with separate tweeters while giving much better appearance and audio!