Figo TDCi - Low FE. Need Suggestions.
- Thread Starter Figoian
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Ah !! finally it seems your long time worry is away now and those are very good figures with Figo. I do not support using any kind of additives as they spoil the walls of the fuel tank. Just follow the things according to the car manual
Ah !! finally it seems your long time worry is away now and those are very good figures with Figo. I do not support using any kind of additives as they spoil the walls of the fuel tank. Just follow the things according to the car manual
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#258
Thanks RK.
Of late, experiencing Jerks/Shudder with acceleration especially with Light Throttle Openings. Same while stepping off the throttle too. This isn't felt when the throttle pedal is floored. Moreover, Idle is surging too.
To me, looks like something with Throttle Position Sensor / Dirty Throttle Body / Dirty Air Filter / Dirty Fuel Filter / Dirty Fuel Injectors / MAF? What to check or something else?
Note - 50K Service due in a week or two.
Of late, experiencing Jerks/Shudder with acceleration especially with Light Throttle Openings. Same while stepping off the throttle too. This isn't felt when the throttle pedal is floored. Moreover, Idle is surging too.
To me, looks like something with Throttle Position Sensor / Dirty Throttle Body / Dirty Air Filter / Dirty Fuel Filter / Dirty Fuel Injectors / MAF? What to check or something else?
Note - 50K Service due in a week or two.
^^Yes Subbu, you can check all those while your next service and I think problem will be in one of them.
A small update : I drove my friends Figo last week and found the pedals position(easy access to the leg from the floor) and the seating and the leg angle to pedals is good when I compare my Ritz. It has a lag in 2nd gear, but manageable.
A small update : I drove my friends Figo last week and found the pedals position(easy access to the leg from the floor) and the seating and the leg angle to pedals is good when I compare my Ritz. It has a lag in 2nd gear, but manageable.
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#260
Yes, one best thing about this car is the seating position and visibility. You feel Roomy, Airy and the blind spots are very less compared to others. Ergonomics are excellent too including arrangements of Steering and other controls.
As you rightly mentioned, 2nd gear lag is quite manageable once you get mated with the car and acquaint on how to play with the pedals. The lag is basically because of the heaviest AC in the segment. If driven without AC, no lag at all. On the other hand, the near absence of Turbo Lag makes the power delivery quite linear and even more comfortable.
As you rightly mentioned, 2nd gear lag is quite manageable once you get mated with the car and acquaint on how to play with the pedals. The lag is basically because of the heaviest AC in the segment. If driven without AC, no lag at all. On the other hand, the near absence of Turbo Lag makes the power delivery quite linear and even more comfortable.
That's a BIG misconception buddy!! If you have a first hand experience then please share the details. Additives are to improve the burning efficiency of the fuel inside the cylinders therby reducing the carbon footprint of the car. This, in long turn reduces the soot accumulation in the block as well as in the headers right upto the catcon. Only thing to remember with additives is be very careful with the composition of the additive as it should match the octane reading of the fuel you regularly fill. Also, additives should only be added once engine has done some miles, say, around 20K (not a figure to be going by). Also, additives are superb for very old engines as they can't go with decarbonisation as it might remove the good soot accumulated over the seals. So, for such engines, to get SOME improvements out of the engine additives are recommended. Also, once an additive is added it should be repeated only after a few tankfuls and not with every tankful.
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#262
Good points Freakdude. BTW, let's have this discussed @ http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/technical-zone/6557-using-diesel-additives.html
Mods - Can you please help moving the last post to the mentioned thread? Thanks.
Mods - Can you please help moving the last post to the mentioned thread? Thanks.
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#263
Update: With a recent short highway trip and regular city rides for couple of weeks, the FE was 14.91 (40% Highway / 60% City / 70% AC). Not great, but not bad either.
Done with 50K service, will monitor the efficiency after the service.
About the Jerk issue, the SA spotted an external impact (scratches) on the Gear Box Bedding and claimed that to be the reason for Jerks after Gear Shift. However, I mentioned to him that I have this issue from the day one and not just now. Even we checked the service history and I have reported the same in every service. Yet, he suggested to change that as he is pretty sure that to be reason. It costs about 4+K and not covered under warranty as it has external impacts.
Need you opinions in this regard? Spending 4K would really fix this issue?
Done with 50K service, will monitor the efficiency after the service.
About the Jerk issue, the SA spotted an external impact (scratches) on the Gear Box Bedding and claimed that to be the reason for Jerks after Gear Shift. However, I mentioned to him that I have this issue from the day one and not just now. Even we checked the service history and I have reported the same in every service. Yet, he suggested to change that as he is pretty sure that to be reason. It costs about 4+K and not covered under warranty as it has external impacts.
Need you opinions in this regard? Spending 4K would really fix this issue?
I doubt it. However, what you can do is, ask the S.A. to either:
1. Tell him that you will not pay for the part if the issue remains unresolved since this is just guesswork as of now.
or
2. If you do spot a figo which might be there for some accidental repair, just swap the part, and check it out whether the issue resolves or not. If it does, replace with the new part.
First option is recommended.
Frankly, the jerk issue on my figo has just disappeared on it's own! I was just inspecting some of the suspected parts during my routine service. I couldn't really see any external damages per say other than some scratches which were expected and known to me.
Post full service, no jerks... don't know what to do or even think. The F.e. however hovers around 13-14 kmpl in the city. No significant change.
1. Tell him that you will not pay for the part if the issue remains unresolved since this is just guesswork as of now.
or
2. If you do spot a figo which might be there for some accidental repair, just swap the part, and check it out whether the issue resolves or not. If it does, replace with the new part.
First option is recommended.
Frankly, the jerk issue on my figo has just disappeared on it's own! I was just inspecting some of the suspected parts during my routine service. I couldn't really see any external damages per say other than some scratches which were expected and known to me.
Post full service, no jerks... don't know what to do or even think. The F.e. however hovers around 13-14 kmpl in the city. No significant change.
Figoian whats the latest update?
Scratches on the bedding cannot be the cause for jerking.If the impact has caused the bedding to crack then yes that can be the cause of the jerks.
Also check the bedding bolts.Are they tightened properly?
Scratches on the bedding cannot be the cause for jerking.If the impact has caused the bedding to crack then yes that can be the cause of the jerks.
Also check the bedding bolts.Are they tightened properly?
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#266
Keith - Glad to see you back. Felt like a great pillar of TAI was missing ![[;)]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Wink.gif "Wink [;)]")
Along with the scratch, can see a minor bent as well, but not sure how impactful it is. Don't remember of seeing any cracks. Yes, they said in the last service that they will tighten the bolts if needed, but replacement is inevitable. I missed to click a snap, will do it when I lift the car up next time.
However, I am unable to understand how it results in "Jerks" I am experiencing. Would you be able to explain? I am experiencing "Jerks" in 2 different ways. One is while releasing the clutch after shifting gears and other is while accelerating / decelerating (stepping on & off the accelerator), especially with light throttle.
So which one is impacted by the Gear Box Bedding? If the gear shift one, then I have this issue from the beginning and have been temporarily disappearing with Clutch Bleeding. If the bedding is causing this issue, would it disappear with bleeding? If not the former, the accelerator jerk issue caused by bedding?
FE - I am about to tank up today/tomorrow. As of now, the DTE & Trip meter are totaling to 640 which would be approximately 14. Regular City drive with 90% AC. Will update the right figure after I tank up.
Along with the scratch, can see a minor bent as well, but not sure how impactful it is. Don't remember of seeing any cracks. Yes, they said in the last service that they will tighten the bolts if needed, but replacement is inevitable. I missed to click a snap, will do it when I lift the car up next time.
However, I am unable to understand how it results in "Jerks" I am experiencing. Would you be able to explain? I am experiencing "Jerks" in 2 different ways. One is while releasing the clutch after shifting gears and other is while accelerating / decelerating (stepping on & off the accelerator), especially with light throttle.
So which one is impacted by the Gear Box Bedding? If the gear shift one, then I have this issue from the beginning and have been temporarily disappearing with Clutch Bleeding. If the bedding is causing this issue, would it disappear with bleeding? If not the former, the accelerator jerk issue caused by bedding?
FE - I am about to tank up today/tomorrow. As of now, the DTE & Trip meter are totaling to 640 which would be approximately 14. Regular City drive with 90% AC. Will update the right figure after I tank up.
Bends can cause misalignment of the part which in turn can cause problems in smooth movements.
I would suggest since you have tried everything else, why not just change the part and see what happens.
OT:Thanks for the support.
I would suggest since you have tried everything else, why not just change the part and see what happens.
OT:Thanks for the support.
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#268
FE Update: After today's tank up, it resulted in 14.90, which is good for City and much better than earlier. Of late, for the past 10 days, I started taking a different route to my office instead of the regular one. Here is the quote of the same from a different thread.
So, the B2B traffic is reduced considerably, and that could be a cause for the better FE. However, had been yet unfortunate to face the inevitable Bangalore B2B traffic when I had to roam around the city otherwise. And for the first 2 weeks since the last tank full, I was in the regular route. So, keeping all that in mind, it's a mix of traffic conditions and feel the FE is good. Will keep it monitored anyways.
So, the B2B traffic is reduced considerably, and that could be a cause for the better FE. However, had been yet unfortunate to face the inevitable Bangalore B2B traffic when I had to roam around the city otherwise. And for the first 2 weeks since the last tank full, I was in the regular route. So, keeping all that in mind, it's a mix of traffic conditions and feel the FE is good. Will keep it monitored anyways.
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#270
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