Diesel vs Petrol Cars in 2013 Scenario!

[krish_go]

I seriously dont understand the move from the gov on the petrol and desiel price stability to one.
If their aim is price difference, petrol is costly as its more refined than desiel.
If their aim is to reduce pollution, effecting on car buyers is crazy.
Suggestions- City buss should be converted to LPG or Petrol. Rail system should be converted to electic.
Currently, city buss normal has the higest pollution and have an average of 7km/lt
and volvo has 3km/lt.
Effecting desiele price will look future as this.
Petrol- 70rs/Lt
Desiel- 70rs/Lt
Potato- 70rs/kg
Onion- 70rs/kg
Tomato- 70rs/Kg
So what do we eat???

 

[dharmesh]

I seriously dont understand the move from the gov on the petrol and desiel price stability to one.
If their aim is price difference, petrol is costly as its more refined than desiel.
If their aim is to reduce pollution, effecting on car buyers is crazy.
Suggestions- City buss should be converted to LPG or Petrol. Rail system should be converted to electic.
Currently, city buss normal has the higest pollution and have an average of 7km/lt
and volvo has 3km/lt.
Effecting desiele price will look future as this.
Petrol- 70rs/Lt
Desiel- 70rs/Lt
Potato- 70rs/kg
Onion- 70rs/kg
Tomato- 70rs/Kg
So what do we eat???

Daily 2 Mc Aloo Tikki each for lunch and dinner seems to be cheaper than normal food.

 

[IndicaDLS2002]

I seriously dont understand the move from the gov on the petrol and desiel price stability to one.
If their aim is price difference, petrol is costly as its more refined than desiel.
If their aim is to reduce pollution, effecting on car buyers is crazy.
Suggestions- City buss should be converted to LPG or Petrol. Rail system should be converted to electic.
Currently, city buss normal has the higest pollution and have an average of 7km/lt
and volvo has 3km/lt.
Effecting desiele price will look future as this.
Petrol- 70rs/Lt
Desiel- 70rs/Lt
Potato- 70rs/kg
Onion- 70rs/kg
Tomato- 70rs/Kg
So what do we eat???

krish_go, If you happen to follow Indian Economy current affairs I think the govt aim is to reduce the fiscal deficit of the nation as the oil companies are selling Diesel at a loss of Rs9.60 per litre & crude oil is imported by paying US$. Same is likely to happen with LPG as well so the times are indeed tough for the common man. But as a owner of Diesel car myself for past 10+ years I can understand your pain especially if you bought an expensive diesel car recently!

read this article below on how economists claim that raising the diesel prices to free market price will actually be good for everybody!
Staggered rise in diesel price will squeeze inflation: Swaminathan S A Aiyar - The Economic Times

 

[navnit013]

All this fiscal deficit, subsidy, and the other explanation is bull ****.

Whats the point one hand you give subsidy and in other hand you take away any benefit we get in the form of tax.

And we consumers act like !@#$%!@#$. We go crazy about the 'de-subsidize' news and we fail to see how much tax we pay/ltr.

@Indica.

You still dint get me. AT present diesels are at par with petrols in terms of power delivery yet more efficient and clean. In a few years, diesels will out perform the petrols in all aspect, may be even in NVH. AND remember, diesels have more torque which equates to better pick up.

 

[IndicaDLS2002]

All this fiscal deficit, subsidy, and the other explanation is bull ****.

Whats the point one hand you give subsidy and in other hand you take away any benefit we get in the form of tax.

And we consumers act like !@#$%!@#$. We go crazy about the 'de-subsidize' news and we fail to see how much tax we pay/ltr.

@Indica.

You still dint get me. AT present diesels are at par with petrols in terms of power delivery yet more efficient and clean. In a few years, diesels will out perform the petrols in all aspect, may be even in NVH. AND remember, diesels have more torque which equates to better pick up.

be that as it may, the simple thing that most people understand is that a diesel car will not be as economical to run at say 63-65 Rs/Ltr(which seems a sure thing now) compared to the current 49-51 Rs/Ltr(not even comparing to petrol car here) so definitely Diesel car owners are looking at increased fuel expenses(permanently) & getting more disadvantaged over the next 2 years ... it will be too unrealistic to think that this will not affect diesel car manufacturers plans in India as well as diesel car prices in India in any way!

 

[anand_953]

The diesel engines especially the one from fiat delivers a good mileage above 20kms with less maintenance and the engine life is above 200000 kms and so even if the petrol and diesel prices get leveled the market on these engines wont get down.none of the petrol engines right now in indian market posses the above skills.And so i dont think these companies will be forced to get down thier prices.

Complete agree with you Alex that there would be a market for such Fiat engines no matter how the diesal price fluctuations progress during this year. But such market is restricted more to the Taxi-cab segment. When you consider someone buying a car for personal use, his decision won't be impacted because of this reason alone.

The only indication of the price rise on the common man would be the following -

- Even greater sales of cars like Alto, I10, Brio and Swift petrol
- Honda city strengthening its position in the C2 sedan segment even further.

As such, diesal cars require higher maintenace cost, more frequent service intervals and a premium price (around 1.5 lakhs more than petrol cars) in addition to envirnment cost (strictly for those against high pollution causing diesal cars)

 

[navnit013]

As such, diesal cars require higher maintenace cost, more frequent service intervals and a premium price (around 1.5 lakhs more than petrol cars) in addition to envirnment cost (strictly for those against high pollution causing diesal cars)

AGAIN, frequent services? My cars service interval is 15000kms and its a diesel. And its service cost is at par with any petrol car. AND what environment cost are you talking about. Diesels are more clean these days. And with the introduction of particulate filters, the gap will increase even more.

 

[IndicaDLS2002]

AGAIN, frequent services? My cars service interval is 15000kms and its a diesel. And its service cost is at par with any petrol car. AND what environment cost are you talking about. Diesels are more clean these days. And with the introduction of particulate filters, the gap will increase even more.

well I personally know petrol car owners who service their cars (like Santro) once in 4-5 years with minor checks/repairs in between when needed .. so its difficult to get rid of the perception/reality that petrol cars are easier/cheaper to maintain...

Also there is a belief that a petrol car can be left idle for longer periods weeks/months & then driven without the need for for any service/maintenance which is not necessarily true for diesel cars which cannot be left idle some believe....

Also on one hand we say "if you watched technological developments happening over the years in diesel engine department" ... I am guessing you are talking about crde/m2DiCR/dicor etc which means we are dealing with a very new/advanced complex technology, maintaining/repairing which if needed will obviously be expensive?!

 

[alexddas]

well I personally know petrol car owners who service their cars (like Santro) once in 4-5 years with minor checks/repairs in between when needed .. so its difficult to get rid of the perception/reality that petrol cars are easier/cheaper to maintain...

Also there is a belief that a petrol car can be left idle for longer periods weeks/months & then driven without the need for for any service/maintenance which is not necessarily true for diesel cars which cannot be left idle some believe....

Also on one hand we say "if you watched technological developments happening over the years in diesel engine department" ... I am guessing you are talking about crde/m2DiCR/dicor etc which means we are dealing with a very new/advanced complex technology, maintaining/repairing which if needed will obviously be expensive?!

SwiftD maintenance cost:
1.Semi-synthetic oil 3.1 liters - Rs 1300/every 10000kms
2.oil filter - Rs 250/ " 10000kms
3.air filter - RS 150 " 5000kms
4.gear box oil -Rs 1100 " 20000 to 40000kms

do you still believe a diesel engine after delivering a minimum of 5kms more than a petrol engine, expensive .

A new diesel engine can be kept idle for months and can be restarted as like of petrol engine without any maintenance.

please get yourself and your indica updated, as you are running well behind.

 

[IndicaDLS2002]

SwiftD maintenance cost:
1.Semi-synthetic oil 3.1 liters - Rs 1300/every 10000kms
2.oil filter - Rs 250/ " 10000kms
3.air filter - RS 150 " 5000kms
4.gear box oil -Rs 1100 " 20000 to 40000kms

do you still believe a diesel engine after delivering a minimum of 5kms more than a petrol engine, expensive .

A new diesel engine can be kept idle for months and can be restarted as like of petrol engine without any maintenance.

please get yourself and your indica updated, as you are running well behind.

have my indica updated? can you tell me how I think you are having a tough time convincing your belief/point across.

Anyways its not a question of what 1 or 2 people believe .. its about what the common perception, beliefs & experience of people is ... & the fact that diesel fuel price is going up 50ps every month for next 24 months simply cannot be changed or ignored ...

 

[alexddas]

have my indica updated? can you tell me how I think you are having a tough time convincing your belief/point across.

Anyways its not a question of what 1 or 2 people believe .. its about what the common perception, beliefs & experience of people is ... & the fact that diesel fuel price is going up 50ps every month for next 24 months simply cannot be changed or ignored ...

The old model diesel engine died with indica V2. even if the diesel/petrol prices gets leveled, new diesel engines are economical. Iam experiencing indicaV2 with swift,ritz and punto. Its not my belief alone i am just one among million. please dont get irritated,

 

[roman]

diesel cars will remain in hot demand because diesel engines are more suited for muvs and suvs.diesel mills though offer less bhp for the same displacement when compared to petrol ,they offers greater torque needed to pull these heavy vehicles.so innovas,scorpios,safaris,xuvs will rule the roost even now.

 

[IndicaDLS2002]

The old model diesel engine died with indica V2. even if the diesel/petrol prices gets leveled, new diesel engines are economical. Iam experiencing indicaV2 with swift,ritz and punto. Its not my belief alone i am just one among million. please dont get irritated,

sure I won't if you say so ... by the way a million is a very small fraction in a Billion people .. have you checked what the rest of them believe...

"new diesel engines are economical" .. yeah no doubt ... but a diesel engine has always been a more complex machine compared to petrol engines ... whether its now or in the past & with the added complexity comes the perception or possibility of added maintenance cost ... sometimes it might be really more expensive to maintain than petrol engines if you are unlucky...not in my own experience... but I have seen/heard cases...

 

[alexddas]

sure I won't if you say so ... by the way a million is a very small fraction in a Billion people .. have you checked what the rest of them believe...

"new diesel engines are economical" .. yeah no doubt ... but a diesel engine has always been a more complex machine compared to petrol engines ... whether its now or in the past & with the added complexity comes the perception or possibility of added maintenance cost ... sometimes it might be really more expensive to maintain than petrol engines if you are unlucky...not in my own experience... but I have seen/heard cases...

New technology may be complicated to common man, but if it gives a good output then why should we worry of the complications of the technology used? see Mr indicaDLS2002, i couldnt find your name in your profile, i myself is happy with the fiat engine in my cars in which, one of them the one in old swift crossed 200000kms and my maintenance cost is very low the only thing i have done in the engine is, i replaced the timing chain it cost me 5000k other than oil and oil filter change i had done nothing extra on the engine and this engine still gives me decent mileage and power. My experience are my belief.

 

[IndicaDLS2002]

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