Boric Acid In Engine Oil


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Woohoo!
Put 15 GMs Boric acid in engine oil of my Honda Unicorn, its already smooth, odo reading is 46k, mileage is low - 40 kmpl.
So, thought of trying on it after the success on my splendor.

Only driven 1 km after borifying, results were not much noticeable, it needs to ride atleast 10 kms to feel the results, but some results were noticed, free revving, reduced vibration, lesser sound from loose fitted body panels, gear shift lever feels less hard and very smooth, no changes in performance till now.
 

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everything else seems fine other than furl efficiency.
I guess your engine needs Little tuning /setting.

yes, BA treatment needs over 15km to circulate properly and have effects. did you add BA in gearbox too?
good luck.
 
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@Mr. bhvm,
The oil in oil chamber of bikes will circulate oil to all parts of engine like gears, clutch, etc, no separate oil tanks for separate parts in bikes.

Engine runs perfect, Idles @ 700-800 RPM in mornings (cold engine) and @ 900-1000 RPM after the engine has warmed up (after 1-2 kms).

It is >30 kms after the boric acid treatment, engine is getting smoother day by day but no other improvement I think so.
The boric particles could have settled in the oil filter, that maybe the cause.
 

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Dear Friends,
I have Bajaj 125T which has run 45k Kms.
The vehicle is used for local city travel.

Many times the vehicle fails to start in morning. Some times you have to kick a lot, at times you have to push start. At times one needs to open spark plugs and re-fit.

The vehicle was recently Serviced at ASS, and engineer has recommend to Open the engine and get complete restoration done. I would like to ask if Boron treatment could help here?

@RVSB, Jarpickle, SS80 and others kindly reply.
 
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Dear Friends,
I have Bajaj 125T which has run 45k Kms.
The vehicle is used for local city travel.

Many times the vehicle fails to start in morning. Some times you have to kick a lot, at times you have to push start. At times one needs to open spark plugs and re-fit.

The vehicle was recently Serviced at ASS, and engineer has recommend to Open the engine and get complete restoration done. I would like to ask if Boron treatment could help here?

@RVSB, Jarpickle, SS80 and others kindly reply.
Yes, of course you can add. I have TVS Sports which has clocked 45K on odo and needs engine restoration, so i decided to try this technique. I chose this ratio: 5% of engine oil quantity. my bike needs 900ml engine oil so I chose approximately 40g boric acid powder (which is also known as carrom powder and is available in fancy stores - ask as carrom powder or in medical shop - ask as boric powder; 50g powder may cost you Rs.15 to 20 approximately). I opened the drain bolt and drew engine oil approximately 1/4 of our 1lt empty water bottle (approximately 250ml). Then I put the 40g boric powder into it; closed the bottle cap; started shaking vigorously for about half an hour (with the help of my family members); ensured no deposits or lugs settle at the bottom (if so, continue shaking for few more minutes) and then I put the mixture in a corner of room to settle down for about one hour. I found very small quantity of boric powder settle down at the bottom. Then with the help of a tea-stainer, I stained the mixture and transferred to another bottle (so that it would be clean and easy to pour-in). I waited for a long trip (at least 20KMs); after three days of waiting, I got a chance; I needed to go to next town (up+down : 50KMs approximately); till first twenty kilometers I could not feel any difference, but after that, slowly engine started spinning smooth; as I go on and on, the smoothness increased, vibrations reduced surprisingly! The heat of the engine was also low in spite of rash driving.However, the clatter sound of worn out engine continued though. I have not restored the engine till date as milage has improved from 40KMs to 49KMs! After that trip, every time I start the engine (even cold-start), engine started butter smooth. Top speed increased from 80KMs to 90KMs (on occasional tests); pick-up was also increased unimaginably! I felt I was riding a 125CC bike!
The theory is, due to excessive heat, the boric acid will form a slippery coating (ceramic like) which as hard as diamond, between metals. So piston rings will not touch bore walls. This process re-freshens every time we ride it. So after a week or so, drain the engine oil (by this time, complete boron coating would have been done inside engine), pour clean new engine oil and enjoy every ride!
 
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The Bajaj 125T was sold long back. I could come back to this research sometime in the future if I have any Experimental Vehicle.
 
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Hi Guys :)
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I researched the hell out of this.
US5431830A - Lubrication from mixture of boric acid with oils and greases - Google Patents
https://www.jstor.org/stable/44722874
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0043164817302545
Sci-Hub | Lubrication Properties of Vegetable Oils Combined with Boric Acid and Determination of Their Effects on Wear. Energy Sources, Part A: Recovery, Utilization, and Environmental Effects, 32(3), 275–285 | 10.1080/15567030802606053
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsta.2010.0183
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10402004.2014.909549
Sci-Hub | Effect of surfactant on tribological performance and tribochemistry of boric acid based colloidal lubricants. Tribology - Materials, Surfaces & Interfaces, 6(3), 134–141 | 10.1179/1751584x12y.0000000016
https://www.anl.gov/article/argonne...ineering-for-pivotal-discoveries-in-tribology
Sci-Hub | Experimental Investigations to Enhance the Tribological Performance of Engine Oil by Using Nano-Boric Acid and Functionalized Multiwalled Carbon Nanotubes: A Comparative Study to Assess Wear in Bronze Alloy. Journal of Materials Engineering and Performance, 27(6), 2782–2795 | 10.1007/s11665-018-3384-9
My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil
Consequence of Blowby Flow and Idling Time on Oil Consumption and Particulate Emissions in Gasoline Engine
Sci-Hub | Investigation of the Effects of Boron Additives on the Performance of Engine Oil. Tribology Transactions, 57(4), 740–748 | 10.1080/10402004.2014.909549
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ent_of_Self-Contained_Water_Injection_Systems

And am currently in a hell of an argument, with lots of links to the peer reviewed published research on BA, starting around here:
BORPower additive? - Page 3 - Fuel Economy, Hypermiling, EcoModding News and Forum - EcoModder.com
Interesting reading where I debate this with... Is he a complete skeptic, or someone choosing to not come out from under his rock?
It's like he's being paid to take a dump on any and all research!? Even scientific field tests in vehicles!! And experiences like yours.
(I'm currently looking for more research papers pertaining to research on it in engines, engine oil, gearboxes , diffs, etc, plz)

Anyway this is what I learned:
(All the links are in my posts are here on: BORPower additive? - Page 3 - Fuel Economy, Hypermiling, EcoModding News and Forum - EcoModder.com
Plz feel free to join and post your experiences with BA there. It'd help what I'm trying to do there a lot if you )
The Boric Acid powder we buy is actually more Boric Oxide, which is not the active ingredient you want:
Boric Oxide is very hygroscopic, meaning it absorbs moisture from the air forming Boric Acid, which is why Boric Acid and Oxide are interchanged so much in literature.
The Boric Oxide reacts with water to form Boric Acid which is what you do want.

Fortunately all engines burns Hydrocarbons in oxygen, forming water.
Well ideally they would. But the reaction is far from ideal.
There's CO2, CO, unburned HCs, etc but my point being; a car produces about a liter of water (steam/vapour) for every liter of fuel burned.
Because of blowby you end up getting around 6.9 liters of steam/water vapour flowing through your crankcase per minute.
When the engine is cold, some of that may condense, forming an emulsion with the oil.
That hot water (solvent) gets into contact with the hygroscopic, water absorbing Boric Oxide powder (solute) in your oil, forming the Boric Acid (solution)
A chemical reaction:
B2O3 + H20 = H3BO3 or B(OH)3 (same thing; different notation)
Exothermic: releases energy as heat
Even in your filter, which wont filter out the water based solution.
BO is a lot more soluble in hot water than in cold, as found in engine oil most of the time.

So now you have an emulsion of BA and water as tiny droplets floating in the oil.
When and wherever this solution touches metal it reacts with it forming an extremely thin, extremely hard, chemically inert ceramic layer on the metal surface.
This is the first layer of the layer BA forms. It's so inert = resistive to chemical attack that once the layer is formed no acids of combustion can get to the surface to erode it anymore.
Not even itself..!

This 1st layer then transitions to an extremely thin, strong layer of microscopic platelets that are weakly attracted to each other.
Think of a huge number of lightly oiled, microscopic playing cards, on a table, that move very easily over each other if you put your hand down on them and drag it.
If the table isn't flat but has card sized dents or pits in it, the cards will collect in them, filling them...
So its Boric ACID you want..!

Based on what I learned; I dissolved the BO in hot water:

  • I dissolved the finely ground BO in boiling water till the solution was over-saturated so there was around a teaspoon of undissolved powder in the mixture.
    (The undissolved extra was for any water already in or soon to be in the oil...)
    I added that to a warmed up car engine that was full to the top mark with oil.
    Then I drove off, taking it easy as the BA-water emulsion will thin the oil.
After around 10 km the treatment kicks in and you can feel the difference!
Most of this water will boil/evaporate off in short order, leaving the treated surface and micro platelets.
You can imagine for yourself just how small the recrystallized platelets are that are formed as the water evaporates..! Much smaller than anything you can grind...

The stuff gets in under sludge, loosening it.
NB This can block the very fine strainer on VW (Golf, Jetta, etc ) oil pump pickup, requiring a sump drop and replacing the fine sieve with a coarser one.
NB This only happened with VWs, for me...
In most cars its fine, but I chose to change the oil and filters on the cars I have treated about 50-100km after the treatment kicks in, to get rid of the sludge.
I add a tiny amount of Solution to the new oil, just for good measure!

If you're still awake; thx for listening. :) I hope it was informative.
I hope to see you on the ecomodder thread too.
 
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