4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review & Install (W+Pics)

[Prads]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

Hello Prads,
There's no brand and model as such. The name is 'Uglare'.
I think salts depends on kelvin with 6000k Bulbs having darker salts than 4300k.

Well the idea of salt colour is debatable actually, very difficult to pick fakes out in Philips itself,the net is full of people claiming genuine etc uses this colour or that colour salts,so as long as source is genuine & we pick our bulbs right we should be getting our moneys worth.

But from what i read these salts are expensive & after the quartz glass construction its the salts which are expensive.
And manufacturers have these as a trade secret
But with the bulb you have used i guess you dont need to worry about UV degradation of the oem projectors as many complain about.Because the glass on them seem legit.

 

[bhvm]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

I think UV degradation is more prevalent in Cheap Buish 6000k or 8000k Bulbs.
More Blue=More UV.

Actually the HID Arc is mostly UV by itself (as if you could theoretically make and start a bare bulb without any salts). Its the salts that convert UV into visible spectrum. Salts in 4300k are more pronounced at cutting out the UV. Leftover UV is filtered by the Quartz tube.

Same is with tube light. If Tube light without the phosphor coating is started, the Output is Totally UV. Such tube lights are used in Aquaguard and look like clear glass tubes.

 

[kpcrao]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

Hi Bhvm,
Today fixed the HID purchased from same seller on XUV. For some reason one of them blinks and stops on start of the engine. I am thinking the issue with the ballast as we replaced with another one it started working. Did you face any issue like this.
Seller readily agreed for shipment of ballast. Also planning to pick up H8 for Fog lamps also from same seller. Seller mentioned that the bulb is 50W but ballast is 35W. Did you use 35W ballast with 50W bulb for your fog lamps?
Thanks in advance.

 

[ice_wise]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

Why did you start the engine with HIDs running?

Regarding fog lamp HID, I think 35w HID is sufficient as foglamps (reflector and design) themselves don't have much potential. A 55w HID won't give much improvement over the 35w HID in the small reflector design and spread (original) of the foglamp. Foglamps should be left with halogens only (or 3000k HIDs) I personally feel, as installing HIDs there kills the basic purpose of their existence. A 35w ballast should be for 35w bulb only, right? Ask bhvm for this.

 

[kpcrao]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

Why did you start the engine with HIDs running?

Regarding fog lamp HID, I think 35w HID is sufficient as foglamps...

I started the car in the auto lights on mode and since the place was dark, the light turned on automatically. The problem occurs even when headlights turned on manually.
Regarding fogs, I am planning to go for 35W only.

 

[bhvm]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

Hi Bhvm,
Today fixed the HID purchased from same seller on XUV. For some reason one of them blinks and stops on start of the engine. I am thinking the issue with the ballast as we replaced with another one it started working. Did you face any issue like this.
Seller readily agreed for shipment of ballast. Also planning to pick up H8 for Fog lamps also from same seller. Seller mentioned that the bulb is 50W but ballast is 35W. Did you use 35W ballast with 50W bulb for your fog lamps?
Thanks in advance.

1>Just as Ice-Wise said, Cranking Engine with HIDs on is a grave mistake. The cranking sends huge voltage fluctuations through the HID and destroys them sooner.
2> There's nothing like 50W bulb or 35W Bulb. All bulbs are same within rage. As there's no filament, its the ballast specification which "Pushes" certain wattage through the bulb. Bulb life will be shorter on 50W and high heat could melt housings.

Why did you start the engine with HIDs running?

Regarding fog lamp HID, I think 35w HID is sufficient as foglamps (reflector and design) themselves don't have much potential. A 55w HID won't give much improvement over the 35w HID in the small reflector design and spread (original) of the foglamp. Foglamps should be left with halogens only (or 3000k HIDs) I personally feel, as installing HIDs there kills the basic purpose of their existence. A 35w ballast should be for 35w bulb only, right? Ask bhvm for this.

IMHO, even 35w HID in fogs is a bit overwhelming on normal roads. However they're very helpful in adverse weather and bad roads. The contrast of HID fog lights up potholes very well and makes the ride safer. I turn 'em on only if required as Projector Low beams are more than enough generally.

Agreed, a 55w Fog would create too much foreground light and glare, and would also melt or fade small fog housings.

I started the car in the auto lights on mode and since the place was dark, the light turned on automatically. The problem occurs even when headlights turned on manually.
Regarding fogs, I am planning to go for 35W only.

Kindly turn off all auto functions as much as possible. I am also looking forward to defeating Follow me home and welcome lamps. Do let me know if you find a solution.

Follow this pattern for good life of HID.
Engine On>Infotainment ON>HID ON.
HID OFF> Infotainment OFF>Engine off.

Instruct your family and drivers for the same.

 

[kpcrao]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

1>Just as Ice-Wise said, Cranking Engine with HIDs on is a grave mistake. The cranking sends huge voltage fluctuations through the HID and destroys them sooner.
2> There's nothing like 50W bulb or 35W Bulb. All bulbs are same within rage. As there's no filament, its the ballast specification which "Pushes" certain wattage through the bulb. Bulb life will be shorter on 50W and high heat could melt housings.


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Kindly turn off all auto functions as much as possible. I am also looking forward to defeating Follow me home and welcome lamps. Do let me know if you find a solution.

Follow this pattern for good life of HID.
Engine On>Infotainment ON>HID ON.
HID OFF> Infotainment OFF>Engine off.

Instruct your family and drivers for the same.

Thanks bhvm.
1) After installation we switched on the lights and this happened. Later same was observed when I started the engine (due to auto on mode). Surely avoid auto on mode in future.
2) Not sure why the seller says that bulbs are of 50W. Same was mentioned on the cover of the bulb. Based on what you said, I will go ahead with 35W ballast.
3) I too rarely used fog lamps till now on this vehicle. When both low beam and fogs are switched on one can notice two different colors of light. Only because of that planning to change to HID for fog also.

 

[bhvm]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

the warmer color of halogen bulb about 3500k is known to better cut through fog and rain than whiter lamps. still 4300k lamps are still better than blueish 6000k lamps.

go ahed with HID if you like. you'll love em on cratered roads. the bulbs he sells are marked as 50w. I've been using the same in my fogs with 35w ballast no worries.

 

[Prads]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

Today fixed the HID purchased from same seller on XUV. For some reason one of them blinks and stops on start of the engine. I am thinking the issue with the ballast as we replaced with another one it started working. Did you face any issue like this.
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This is a ballast issue, i had a new Denso go out this way,First it did not switch on, then it did & it was running fine,after 20 mins it started blinking & that was the end of it.

@ BHVM

Ya many people go with cost cut bulbs & was pointing out the ones you have seem good,no matter what kelvin it is Some cheap bulbs have a layer of quartz glass missing.Which ultimately this is main reason many oem projectors getting screwed not to mention the headlight plastic looks 100 years old thanks to fading.

When i had my headlamps opened for the retrofit projectors i had the internals coated with Carpro DLUX to reduce the effects of uv on the headlight even though everything being run is genuine but cant deny the fact that UV in HID ages the headlamps alot. A fact which i am sure even both of us would love to go the LED projector way if cooling issues are taken care of.


- Any idea how much does you XUV500 headlight cost if you have to buy a new one?
The other day a Verna Fluidic 4S had come to a workshop with a damaged front,it runs OEM projectors. Owner told me each headlight cost 43000 !!!!!!
Suddenly a retrofit feels like VFM

 

[bhvm]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

Hello Prads,
1> I'm afraid I m not aware of new XUV headlights. However I did have the idea of Putting a Bixeon projector in each of the Low beam, High beam bowls. That means we now have 4 High/low beams.

2> Did you get the cutoffs fixed on your bixenons?

3> LED projector is not far away. These days H7 LED bulbs became available which use Philips Luxeon or Cree MKR chips. Both are well known chips and shall be uber bright. The Prices are also in line with an HID kit. The thing which keeps me away is Wrong color temperature of about 5700~6000k. Too blue and unsafe for me. The day when 4300k LED comes out, I am all sold.

 

[Jaskgrandi10]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

Hello Prads,
1> I'm afraid I m not aware of new XUV headlights. However I did have the idea of Putting a Bixeon projector in each of the Low beam, High beam bowls. That means we now have 4 High/low beams.

2> Did you get the cutoffs fixed on your bixenons?

3> LED projector is not far away. These days H7 LED bulbs became available which use Philips Luxeon or Cree MKR chips. Both are well known chips and shall be uber bright. The Prices are also in line with an HID kit. The thing which keeps me away is Wrong color temperature of about 5700~6000k. Too blue and unsafe for me. The day when 4300k LED comes out, I am all sold.

Hello Bhvm , How are You?

finally i have decided to go with projectors instead of simple hid kits in my grand i10 , but now finally the question has arrived so as to which hid kit should i install .

1. the kit u are currently using you glare .

2. i had a long research about so many companies which are there in market and doing these hid kits business and i found out one from mumbai . Focus LED .

this guy has a video of the hid kits he is supplying in the market and i was amazed to see the quality of the same . Attaching you the pics and the video link . Please let me know as to what you think for the same :)



https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=145216655833707&id=100010361195467

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=145755489113157&id=100010361195467

i dont know if this was the right way of posting the links or not [thinking]

PS- this is no marketing scheme for any manufacturer , and images & videos are copyrighted to FOCUS LED .

 

[bhvm]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

Hello JSK!
I'm good. How do you do?

I have been pretty satisfied with Uglare for now, I have ceased searching for new suppliers until something goes wrong with this particular seller. I know that guy long before he started his own brand(Ulgare). His first few kits came to me in plain carboard box!
Unfortunately I do not have any experience with Focus LED. I suggest you drop them a mail and clarify any doubts.

On the other hand, Do take a chance with new-gen LED kits that are coming along. They are said to work well with existing Halogen Reflectors, Have instant Start and would be less FUSS and expense overall. However LED kits do not offer proper 4300k Color as of yet.

 

[Prads]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

Hello Prads,
1> I'm afraid I m not aware of new XUV headlights. However I did have the idea of Putting a Bixeon projector in each of the Low beam, High beam bowls. That means we now have 4 High/low beams.

2> Did you get the cutoffs fixed on your bixenons?

3> LED projector is not far away. These days H7 LED bulbs became available which use Philips Luxeon or Cree MKR chips. Both are well known chips and shall be uber bright. The Prices are also in line with an HID kit. The thing which keeps me away is Wrong color temperature of about 5700~6000k. Too blue and unsafe for me. The day when 4300k LED comes out, I am all sold.

1 - That mod would be a monster ,imagine if available LEDs come out at 200 lumens per watt(now commercially 140 lumens per watt) & we stick 10 watts into each lens then 2000 lumens x 4. And aiming from all 4 projectors will be a bliss. Am sure in a mater of 2 to 3 years this will be reality.
The day dream ,such an addiction.

2 - Dint get cut off rectified & not that worried as noticed right is aimed to the left. Also met my car from the opposite side when driving my other car & no glare was noticed,I actually assumed it was a BMW 3 series,appears whitish blue from far & as it approached it looks warm like 4300k like regular headlight. Head light level set at -2 so only thing will be doing is reducing right driver side(LHD cutoff) projector a step down over the left & continue with it,its raining & car wont be with me sometimes so this work has been held up. Only plan to open it re-do things when i find LED mod worth it.

3 - Actually they are 5000k led being offered but prob is if cooling does not stay on track then they start colour shifting to 5500k above, That is why even i am waiting for the day to have a 10 watt led with 200 lumens per watt so that we wont have cooling issues.
And i was using the Morimoto bulbs (before Osram 4150k) which were near 5000k in colour after a while & in combination with my clear lens projectors it just got alot of attention in traffic,people use to turn around more than my current Osram.
I remember this cab guy was smoking in traffic & he put his cig outside window.Then he saw his hand & cig smoke light up from the 5000k lights,he literally popped out of the window to look what was behind him at which point Indian public mentality whole traffic signal turns & looks at me But that colour is something for a city with street lights. So 3500k to 4300k is the best for real world driving anyday.

- Also clear lens for city use & awesome looks, Misted oem lens for highway & fog driving use!

 

[Jaskgrandi10]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

hey Bhvm .

I had posted a few links on my last post . i hope you have gone through the same . Actually you already have a projector setup in your car , so you can always get just the HID kit installed in your car. But i guess i have to go through installing a new set of projector in the car . so i wanted to know your thoughts on the products i am interested to buy . Please let me know the same .

i have got a quote for 10.5k for projectors in the headlight including the installation . and a quote for 5.5 k for hid in fog , although i was again wondering if i would need such a huge setup in my car . would you recommend the same . like please help out , i am highly confused at this moment with my setup.

 

[bhvm]

Re: 4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review and Install (W+Pics)

Hello Back JSK,
10.5k If if includes the projectors, Install, HID bulbs, Ballast, Bi-xenon relays eveyrthing appear reasonable. Just ask them which projectors they'll use. I am assuming Price is for BOTH headlights

5.5k For Fog HID if with FOG-Oriented projectors is good, but just HID kit in Stock housing is not a good idea. I suggest you go for just the headlights in 1st step and judge from there. Doing HID in Stock fogs is just 3k INR/30 min Job.

HID setups are most useful for Highway driving at decent speeds and sure does makes the ride safer.