The Ultimate B2 Segment Hatchback Comparison!

[anand_953]

If figo and swift comes under b2 segment then vista definitely comes under b2 segment.. No doubt.. Please don't degrade the vista as it is a Tata. Indica falls in b1 segment, I agree. But Vista surely comes in B2 segment.

Complete agree with you that Indica and Vista belong to different segments and that they should be segregated.

 

[Gurrala74]

Well, the segments that i have arrived are not my creation. Its something which the market is following. I have no personal bias against the Tatas. Its the market which has come up with these segments of A, B2 and B2 for hatchbacks. Am just quoting what the market says. I have no issues with Vista being part of the B2 segment.

To put all arguments to rest, check this official link for the prices of Vista - Vista Get Price

The lower end petrol vista onroad price starts below 5 lakhs and the top end price is below 6 lakhs even in a city like bangalore where the prices of road tax are the highest in india.

So these segments like A, B1 and B2 are market created and not mine. Its based more on price bracket rather than anything else. Am not comparing the specifications of Vista with any B2 segmented car here. If market is bracketing Vista as a B1 segment car and its able to win rave reviews and surpass the B2 segment cars, great for Vista.

I differ with you on this, Categorising with price is not wise always, may be market follow and say something which is senseless most of the times.

We are the sensible people out here and discuss real facts not like market which hypes everything, so the categorisation should be based on its engine capacity, seating capacity than its price. If a vehicle is less priced and offers more then it is called VFM and it cannot be called as A1 segment as it purely depends on engine CC

 

[dharmesh]

So according to anand_953, Nano with same engine specification, if ti would cost more than 7 lakhs for base version than it would fall under B2 segment?

 

[anand_953]

So according to anand_953, Nano with same engine specification, if ti would cost more than 7 lakhs for base version than it would fall under B2 segment?

Haha.. and only fools will buy to keep it alive in the market

 

[anand_953]

I differ with you on this, Categorising with price is not wise always, may be market follow and say something which is senseless most of the times.

We are the sensible people out here and discuss real facts not like market which hypes everything, so the categorisation should be based on its engine capacity, seating capacity than its price. If a vehicle is less priced and offers more then it is called VFM and it cannot be called as A1 segment as it purely depends on engine CC

That is why wrote 4-5 posts back that there cannot be any segmentation of cars possible as there is no valid reasoning to substantiate it. Who are we to call a car as truly premium? The definition of premium is very subjective. For you it may be X for the other person it may be Y. As there is no standardized definition of premium hatchback, everyone comes up with their own definition. The only car which has got majority of the votes to be called a truly premium hatchback car in india is Honda Jazz. Its the only car which has got most of the premium features - interiors, exteriors, engine, power, features, safety, Honda badge, drivability etc etc. All other cars fail in one parameter or the other. I20 is a great hatchback, but is a little underpowered. Polo ticks most of the boxes but is a 3 pot engine. So some people might raise an eyebrow to call it truly premium.

The truth is Indian car market is evolving. A truly premium hatchback will find few takers in today's economic climate in India. Thats why, there is no reason which can be attributed to the low sales of Jazz inspite of it having all the desired features in a premium hatch - great power, ample space, truly premium interior quality, great features, superb safety, excellent drivability, superior iv-tech engine. So what's stopping its sales? No price for guessing - highly priced. That's why when Honda launched its 2nd hatchback, Brio, at a lower price range and subjective looks, it found so many takers.

 

[Gurrala74]

That is why wrote 4-5 posts back that there cannot be any segmentation of cars possible as there is no valid reasoning to substantiate it. Who are we to call a car as truly premium? The definition of premium is very subjective. For you it may be X for the other person it may be Y. As there is no standardized definition of premium hatchback, everyone comes up with their own definition. The only car which has got majority of the votes to be called a truly premium hatchback car in india is Honda Jazz. Its the only car which has got most of the premium features - interiors, exteriors, engine, power, features, safety, Honda badge, drivability etc etc. All other cars fail in one parameter or the other. I20 is a great hatchback, but is a little underpowered. Polo ticks most of the boxes but is a 3 pot engine. So some people might raise an eyebrow to call it truly premium.

The truth is Indian car market is evolving. A truly premium hatchback will find few takers in today's economic climate in India. Thats why, there is no reason which can be attributed to the low sales of Jazz inspite of it having all the desired features in a premium hatch - great power, ample space, truly premium interior quality, great features, superb safety, excellent drivability, superior iv-tech engine. So what's stopping its sales? No price for guessing - highly priced. That's why when Honda launched its 2nd hatchback, Brio, at a lower price range and subjective looks, it found so many takers.

Anand

I agree with you completely, that is why my effort to tell you that we should be more careful while choosing such a sensitive topic where there is no proper benchmark and often some feel happy and others feel underrated

 

[jayadev]

That is why wrote 4-5 posts back that there cannot be any segmentation of cars possible as there is no valid reasoning to substantiate it. Who are we to call a car as truly premium? The definition of premium is very subjective. For you it may be X for the other person it may be Y. As there is no standardized definition of premium hatchback, everyone comes up with their own definition. The only car which has got majority of the votes to be called a truly premium hatchback car in india is Honda Jazz. Its the only car which has got most of the premium features - interiors, exteriors, engine, power, features, safety, Honda badge, drivability etc etc. All other cars fail in one parameter or the other. I20 is a great hatchback, but is a little underpowered. Polo ticks most of the boxes but is a 3 pot engine. So some people might raise an eyebrow to call it truly premium.

The truth is Indian car market is evolving. A truly premium hatchback will find few takers in today's economic climate in India. Thats why, there is no reason which can be attributed to the low sales of Jazz inspite of it having all the desired features in a premium hatch - great power, ample space, truly premium interior quality, great features, superb safety, excellent drivability, superior iv-tech engine. So what's stopping its sales? No price for guessing - highly priced. That's why when Honda launched its 2nd hatchback, Brio, at a lower price range and subjective looks, it found so many takers.

This sounds like another elite Honda fan speaking.
I am sorry buddy I am out of this thread!

 

[vinayan]

beat is featuring better than swift and Ritz. only space is less on it. how long MS to get integrate acc on swift and Ritz ? From launch beat comes with acc and rear wash and wipe. in terms of power beat comes with 80 bhp

 

[nithin_v]

This sounds like another elite Honda fan speaking.
I am sorry buddy I am out of this thread!

Yes romanticizing Honda. I think new i20 and maruti swift is as premium as honda. In the case of drive-ability Swift and Punto is far ahead of Jazz with little low end. Fun to drive is more in Swift and even interiors and features are more with i20.
Reason for excluding Tata Vista is hilarious

i think for some Honda = premium

 

[Gurrala74]

beat is featuring better than swift and Ritz. only space is less on it. how long MS to get integrate acc on swift and Ritz ? From launch beat comes with acc and rear wash and wipe. in terms of power beat comes with 80 bhp

vinayan,

How does features decide the segment ?? I am surprised to note this and is ACC is so important ??.

how could you compare 998cc with 1248cc
Beat is 3 cylinder and Ritz/Swift are 4 cylinder
Beat is 58.5PS and Ritz/Swift are 75PS
Beat comes with R13 tyres and Ritz/Swift are with R14 and more width

It is the cc/engine capacity decides the segment and the things matters are

Space
Comfort
Power
GC
etc.,

Features are just add ons

 

[brandoo]

Guys please rest the debate on Vista being B1 or B2. That was someone's personal classification. Definitely Vista is B2, by no means less than any of hatches be Swift, i20, Figo, Sail etc.

Let me share link of thread about maintenance cost comparison for Hatch segment.
http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...409-across-board-service-cost-comparison.html

Please do vote and share the actual cost of 20000 kms and onward service. Provide the price list for various parts, fluids (mobile oil), labour charges etc.

With this we can compare hatches across the board for TCO.

 

[vinayan]

vinayan,

How does features decide the segment ?? I am surprised to note this and is ACC is so important ??.

how could you compare 998cc with 1248cc
Beat is 3 cylinder and Ritz/Swift are 4 cylinder
Beat is 58.5PS and Ritz/Swift are 75PS
Beat comes with R13 tyres and Ritz/Swift are with R14 and more width

It is the cc/engine capacity decides the segment and the things matters are

Space
Comfort
Power
GC
etc.,

Features are just add ons

am not talking about diesel, compare petrol top end variant of beat , swift and Ritz. Also tyres for beat petrol are R14

http://www.chevrolet.co.in/beat-fuel-efficient-car/features-specs/model-specification.html

 

[Gurrala74]

am not talking about diesel, compare petrol top end variant of beat , swift and Ritz. Also tyres for beat petrol are R14

Chevrolet Beat Diesel Petrol LPG Specifications, Chevrolet Beat Diesel LPG 1.2 LT LS PS Specifications

Sorry Vinayan, if it is petrol, ok I agree with your points

 

[gns_blr]

Hi All,
The hatches can be further classified in to the following sub segments based on features and price -
B2 Premium - Jazz, I20, Polo, Punto and Swift
B2 Mid Variant - Etios Liva, Fabia, Chevy Sail, Ford Figo and Honda Brio
B2 Entry level variant - Ritz, I10, Micra and Pulse

If Polo comes under Premium segment, why cant Fabia? These cars sharing everything else the look. same engine, power, behavior and if you consider price to classify premium and other variants, Fabia seems costlier than it's sibling Polo!

 

[brandoo]

Beat petrol is good hatch. It sport same engine which is doing duty in Sail at the moment with much lighter body hence car has very good weight to power ratio.

Beat is very good car for day to day city commute without fuse with lots of features but like most small chevy, steering is not at all confidence inspiring on highways. Moreover beat is designed to intra-city commute and not for mile munching on highways, however this is different matter that most of us take 50 CC moped on 4-6 lane expressways.