Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV5OO - Which One To Choose?

[freakdude]

By that logic, xylo has no clutch failures to mention of.
so you mean to say mahindra has made a super reliable clutch on the xylo,but offers a lower spec clutch on the scorpio/xuv? . their so called premium offerings

It is YOU who brought up this logic that due to higher torque clutch failures occurred and not me and not any other member. So, if YOU say xylo's clutch won't fail then it's your logic not mine. I disagree on this torque logic and that's why brought fortuner's figures just to explain to you. Stop contradicting yourselves.



[/QUOTE]I mentioned this in another thread which has nothing to do with the current thread. but it was taken out of context and is been beaten around the bush.
If it is for fun sake, i have no problems with trolling on that topic [/QUOTE]

This thread or any thread, what is important is YOU have this viewpoint which is baseless, unless you can share a testimony of all such petrol hatch users that upgraded to mHawk and sufferred clutch failures. Secondly, in this thread itself you have said this, see post no. 2079.

 

[Superbad]

It is YOU who brought up this logic that due to higher torque clutch failures occurred and not me and not any other member. So, if YOU say xylo's clutch won't fail then it's your logic not mine. I disagree on this torque logic and that's why brought fortuner's figures just to explain to you. Stop contradicting yourselves.

I have said clutch failures have happened on storme and XUV likewise. just that few number of failures have been reported on storme because there are fewer stormes to report on road to begin with.
my xylo comment was on similar lines.

This thread or any thread, what is important is YOU have this viewpoint which is baseless, unless you can share a testimony of all such petrol hatch users that upgraded to mHawk and sufferred clutch failures. Secondly, in this thread itself you have said this, see post no. 2079.

i have no testimony of clutch failures on XUV either. i just have one testimony of a storme clutch failure on TAI.

clutch goes under pressure when driven under half clutch.
if you think this is baseless, then i do not have anything to add.

 

[freakdude]

I have said clutch failures have happened on storme and XUV likewise. just that few number of failures have been reported on storme because there are fewer stormes to report on road to begin with.
my xylo comment was on similar lines.

i have no testimony of clutch failures on XUV either. i just have one testimony of a storme clutch failure on TAI.

clutch goes under pressure when driven under half clutch.
if you think this is baseless, then i do not have anything to add.

If a contradiction can't be proved then in fact it is baseless and should not be defended either buddy! Like you supported clutch failure with TAI, same ways please do not baseline that petrol hatch users upgrading to diesel SUVs are prone to clutch failures, period.

 

[Gurrala74]

Ah !! cool down friends

I had a chance to drive Storme for little long distance(70km) today where I drove xuv for such long distance when I started this thread. I felt to write my observations comparing to xuv experience

1. The best point in Storme is its visibility all around including bonnet where you feel more comfortable and confident in driving this beast.
2. I had to do some sudden braking as all this stretch is of big potholes occasionally but are at a sudden, single road where suddenly any vehicle comes towards you, Bullock carts , village men, cattle , lot of mud slush due to heavy rains etc., so it includes all sorts of bad things and braking was awesome and very confident when I compare with XUV where it is has less bite
3. One of our member said that the handling is not that good in Storme, but believe me friends I drove it left,center,right and our members "Vickyjoshi", "Rajiv" were travelling with me and storme handling is excellent and never scary with some beautiful ride comfort. Where as XUV has very good handling but due to some claustrophobic feel it was bit less confident to me.

So leaving a side that dash and features which are not very important for a good ride in my opinion Storme really an amazing vehicle and I enjoyed it more than my Ritz(which I use regularly in same stretch)

 

[Raja]

If a contradiction can't be proved then in fact it is baseless and should not be defended either buddy! Like you supported clutch failure with TAI, same ways please do not baseline that petrol hatch users upgrading to diesel SUVs are prone to clutch failures, period.

Buddy let it go , I understand what you are saying . But let the readers decide now how and who is contradicting their own statements .

i have no testimony of clutch failures on XUV either. i just have one testimony of a storme clutch failure on TAI.
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The clutch failure is said to be the only worrying factor among the mhawk variants..

Freakdude Now read the following quoted post. They are just from TAI , if I post here Facebook complaints along with chassis number of owners it will be very repetitive hence I have already done that .

The problem was in initial batches , but recently many owners on other forum have reported that their July and August 2013 made xuvs also suffered clutch failure probelms .

Ironrock has always been upfront in posting all the information about xuv which has infact helped many .

Got the vehicle back after first service.

The experience at the service center remains bad. The delivery time after service kept changing through out the day. The car wash and cleaning was horrible. Front and rear windshields and the side ORVMs were outright dirty. Bluetooth setting was disturbed so had to pair my phone again. GPS Nav language was set to some language I could not figure out. It was set to English before giving the car for servicing.

Major issues report, their resolution and my satisfaction on these are as follows.

- Brake noise etc. RM told that they are pretty close to a final design and cars will be "recalled" to get the replacements done very shortly. I have no other option but to believe him on this one.

- Gear shifting not smooth for 1st/2nd gears. They have done "adjustments". I could not get them to tell me what exactly it means. Gear shifting seems better though.

- Steering going to right a bit. Alignment was checked (and charged). Seems fine for now.

- Thanks to Iron Rock, I checked with them about laminated wiper motor. The car did not have laminated motor, so it was replaced under warranty. Seems fine.

- Weird feel from front suspension (mentioned earlier in this thread) while going over bumps. RM said it has been addressed by tightening/tuning, but I still feel little bit of weirdness.

- For clutch issues and steering liquid leakage, they did not have any generic guidelines from M&M so nothing done on these fronts.

- USB music stops all of a sudden. The software was reloaded. But that did not help. It stopped mid way while driving back. Unsatisfied.

- Water was collecting under the front mats (both driver and passenger). Diagnosed to be a leak in the AC drain pipe. Claimed that it is fixed but I will know after driving for some more time. Will check how it behaves.

Overall, I am not very happy with the experience. My other experience is with Maruti and GM and I found that follow ups and updates are better in Maruti and GM than M&M.

Forgot to add, the bill came to about Rs 2900/- mainly on account of Engine oil change and alignment check.

Apparently the newer batch are improved or so i hear. The only serious issue(which i consider serious) is the clutch plate issue - this occured to the very initial batch which had a plate mismatch. !

Yesterday evening spent a couple of hours at the service centre just rechecking all 3rd service items were done to my satisfaction (also a bit of loitering around the service centre to drool on other cars).
Dark Knight was ready after the 3rd service(which is a major one) and i was called by the service centre head, he knows me well since beginning and we chatted for a bit. I was checking generally if any official recalls have been happening and if they have a solution finally for the brake noise issue and other stuff.

He updated me of a new brake pad design that has come again and they have tested it successfully for 2.5k kms on a vehicle, apparently that's the solution. He insisted i should get it done and i was ok for it. Then he mentioned the clutch kit in the some of early XUVs were updated to new design and checked my vehicle for it. He suggested i should get it done as well, but i was reluctant and hesistant as my clutch is perfectly well.

I am also from the school of thought which advocates disassembling is easy, but putting it all back together accurately is the hard part which also gives rise to issues later. Dont mend what isnt broken. However he insisted that a proactive solution is better in the case of the clutch and promised his best clutch guy will work on it, so while i went to pick up the XUV ended up leaving it there. I might get it best case this evening or tommorow afternoon. In any case will be visiting the service centre this evening as i am not comfortable leaving my cars over night at service centres.

So basically ill be getting the updated clutch kit and new brakes, more details tomorrow ! Keeping fingers crossed they dont screw up anything !
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^^^ Clutch was only an issue in the early batches, they fixed it upfront and did some 'silent' replacements during service. PS was caused due to a leak as i said that component has been also checked and fixed as part of services.
.

 

[Superbad]

Buddy let it go , I understand what you are saying . But let the readers decide now how and who is contradicting their own statements .






Freakdude Now read the following quoted post. They are just from TAI , if I post here Facebook complaints along with chassis number of owners it will be very repetitive hence I have already done that .

The problem was in initial batches , but recently many owners on other forum have reported that their July and August 2013 made xuvs also suffered clutch failure probelms .

Ironrock has always been upfront in posting all the information about xuv which has infact helped many .

i was asked for testimony , i gave the testimony of a user on TAI. are we expected to copy paste all the other forums here now?

did the user SPMM had a clutch failure?

like i said , this issue is being beaten around the bush.

i can only quote what happens here in this forum , so my testimony will be limited till TAI.

let me get the permission from Mods to cross posts from other forums, then we will talk about it.

 

[Superbad]

a lesson of grammar first

Originally Posted by Superbad
The clutch failure is said to be the only worrying factor among the mhawk variants..

Originally Posted by Superbad
i have no testimony of clutch failures on XUV either. i just have one testimony of a storme clutch failure on TAI.
.

'Is said to be' = 'is rumoured to be'; 'it is generally thought that'.

meaning of "is said to be"

so those who think the statements are contradictory, can now take a call

 

[manojodungat]

I had a chance to drive Storme for little long distance(70km) today where I drove xuv for such long distance when I started this thread. I felt to write my observations comparing to xuv experience

2. I had to do some sudden braking as all this stretch is of big potholes occasionally but are at a sudden, single road where suddenly any vehicle comes towards you, Bullock carts , village men, cattle , lot of mud slush due to heavy rains etc., so it includes all sorts of bad things and braking was awesome and very confident when I compare with XUV where it is has less bite

I am sure you have driven an XUV also on the same day on those same roads to comment on the braking comparo confidently, while negotiating pot-holes, cattle, Bullock carts , village men, lot of mud slush due to heavy rains etc.

@All

BTW, if I am in the market looking for a spacious SUV, Storme LX is up there at the Top, in the list. With the current discounts, it does seem to be a fantastic deal. I can live with that stupidly integrated HU and the rear side facing seats as I rarely use the last row in my Scorpio too. I guess, there is also a scope for getting those third row seats modified into front facing as posted earlier, outside the dealership by professionals.

A few observations:

• http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/indian-auto-news/399-tata-safari-storme-breaks-cover-launch-coverage-pg-301-a-427.html - closed after a great mileage of 427 pages.
  
• http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/indian-auto-news/9740-tata-safari-storme-vs-rest-competition-29.html - 29 pages. Some sanity prevailed at the right time and it got closed due to obvious reasons
  
• http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...safari-storme-road-test-drive-review-156.html - 156 pages
• http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...storme-vs-mahindra-xuv5oo-one-choose-140.html -140 pages still going round in circles with hardly any value-add most of the times.

Is there anything new being discussed here with any value-add of late?

Please visit these threads above to believe it yourself, no guarantee that you survive the ordeal though.

 

[Gurrala74]

@Manoj

Yes I drove the XUV also in the same road stretch and conditions, so comparison is valid.

About your observations for the threads

1. Got closed because it was the thread before launch and there is the TD thread opened after launch, hence it is relevant to close the old one
2. Closing of thread is purely decision of the mods
3. This is the ongoing live thread of Safari storme with all the updates of the vehicle time to time
4. This thread is a comparison thread of rivals, there was lot discussed in this thread and I seriously feel many have benefited with the discussion. Since it is a comparison thread there are lot of opinions and experiences posted by various members out of which we like some and we do not like some, so we cannot find some interesting stuff about both the vehicles on day to day basis, but the thread is important as lot of reliability and maintenance issues are being discussed time to time and which is useful for the visitors and prospective buyers of both the vehicles. So every thread will not be very interesting to every body

 

[Raja]

@All

BTW, if I am in the market looking for a spacious SUV, Storme LX is up there at the Top, in the list. With the current discounts, it does seem to be a fantastic deal. I can live with that stupidly integrated HU and the rear side facing seats as I rarely use the last row in my Scorpio too. I guess, there is also a scope for getting those third row seats modified into front facing as posted earlier, outside the dealership by professionals.

It's not a safe option , one of my friend too tried doing it but it just doesn't work . If you are anyday going to use the last row storme is not the option . And since you value safety the xuv W4 option will be great since it will come with airbags and abs too and also better looking music system .

A few observations:

• http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/indian-auto-news/399-tata-safari-storme-breaks-cover-launch-coverage-pg-301-a-427.html - closed after a great mileage of 427 pages.
  
• http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/indian-auto-news/9740-tata-safari-storme-vs-rest-competition-29.html - 29 pages. Some sanity prevailed at the right time and it got closed due to obvious reasons
  
• http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...safari-storme-road-test-drive-review-156.html - 156 pages
• http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...storme-vs-mahindra-xuv5oo-one-choose-140.html -140 pages still going round in circles with hardly any value-add most of the times.

Is there anything new being discussed here with any value-add of late?

@ all
1) whenever official test drive report comes thread in the Indian auto news section gets closed
Renault duster , Ecosport , terrano , quanto , storme all threads have been closed similarly the storme thread was closed . There is no official test drive thread of xuv so the xuv thread is still going on .

If mods decide to do a official test drive thread of xuv they will close the xuv thread too . It is how it works it seems . Because the last note on any of those threads will be something like this

Note: The Automotive India's official review of Safari Storme is now online. Please continue further discussions here: Tata Safari Storme Road Test Review.

Drive Safe,
350Z

2) test drive thread of storme is different then storme vs xuv thread .

3) both cars are launched , people know most of the details about the car , what becomes important is to talk about reliabilty factors of both the car . All Niggles or problems dont come on one same day , they pop in anytime and hence readers must know that .

unlike what some think problems and niggles are also posted in this thread equally , anybody can read this thread they will witness that fact that niggles , a.s.s issues of both storme and xuv are posted .
Readers will also witness the fact and decide for themselves .

Member suhas was active on this thread and then decided to buy a xuv

Member vickyjoshi bought a storme he too has given credit to this thread which helped him in his buying desicion .

And many others must have used this thread as a reference .

And most important the thread will become more active and important now since xuv W4 will be launched and many people may get confused in deciding storme lx or xuv w4 .

Please visit these threads above to believe it yourself, no guarantee that you survive the ordeal though.]

All the threads you mentioned had maximum views and hits ( for whatever reason ) adds the popularity of the forum .

Beside that there are many threads which I " personally " think don't add value in my life , i simply choose to ignore it and divert my energy and attention to the threads which I think " personally " add value in my life .

a lesson of grammar first

meaning of "is said to be"
so those who think the statements are contradictory, can now take a call

you are right readers will decide finally .

i was asked for testimony , i gave the testimony of a user on TAI. are we expected to copy paste all the other forums here now?

let me get the permission from Mods to cross posts from other forums, then we will talk about it.

. Iam asking the same , because if they allow , wow just wow can't imagine how much material we will get
Btw nothing is posted outside the forum the above " clutch related " news is from our forum only exclusively

@Manoj

Yes I drove the XUV also in the same road stretch and conditions, so comparison is valid.

About your observations for the threads

1. Got closed because it was the thread before launch and there is the TD thread opened after launch, hence it is relevant to close the old one
2. Closing of thread is purely decision of the mods
3. This is the ongoing live thread of Safari storme with all the updates of the vehicle time to time
4. This thread is a comparison thread of rivals, there was lot discussed in this thread and I seriously feel many have benefited with the discussion. Since it is a comparison thread there are lot of opinions and experiences posted by various members out of which we like some and we do not like some, so we cannot find some interesting stuff about both the vehicles on day to day basis, but the thread is important as lot of reliability and maintenance issues are being discussed time to time and which is useful for the visitors and prospective buyers of both the vehicles. So every thread will not be very interesting to every body[;)]

+100 perfectly said , the thread has 80,000+ views , it's one of the most viewed thread on TAI which gets maximum views . ( for whatever reasons )

Beside every information posted is legal , provided with a source , and pictures . None of the information is created out of thin air .

 

[freakdude]

i was asked for testimony , i gave the testimony of a user on TAI. are we expected to copy paste all the other forums here now?

You were asked for a testimony for your comment "The clutch burn was a worrying factor for those graduating from a hatch that too petrol hatch." to which you replied that "i have no testimony of clutch failures on XUV either. i just have one testimony of a storme clutch failure on TAI."

So, please DO NOT say that you have given the testimony if you are sharing just one side of the coin.

 

[freakdude]

[*]http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...storme-vs-mahindra-xuv5oo-one-choose-140.html -140 pages still going round in circles with hardly any value-add most of the times.
Is there anything new being discussed here with any value-add of late?

Buddy, value-add doesn't always mean new information. If some baseless contradictions are being floated, then, correcting them is an equally vital value-add in my view. Do you differ?

After all, the readers should read and deduce what's true, backed by facts and proofs, and not just an assumptions which can't be backed by facts.

 

[zengetz]

Readers should read and deduce what's true, backed by facts and proofs, and not just an assumptions which can't be backed by facts.

Spot on there!

I've been a silent reader of this thread which has been of tremendous value and undoubtedly a wealth of information brought by numerous facts and figures. Pity that of late there seems to be a lot of sentiment evidently resonating across posts.

Would be nice to see a healthy debate based on Proven substantial, measurable facts and not subjective opinions please.

Thanks!

 

[Raja]

@ all

There are many professional fabricators in Delhi who have installed a fantastic looking sunroof on many xuvs .
IMHO it looks cool . Iam attaching the pic below . Unfortunately there is no such option for the storme atleast from the fabricator whose info iam posting below .

More pics & source can be seen here ->

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...961.1073741831.571215052910834&type=1&theater

And


https://www.facebook.com/sunroofs

And

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.645286678837004.1073741847.571215052910834&type=3

Now regarding the clutch problems in xuv it takes 2 days to repair incase you have a problem so incase ever you have a problem remember that .

The charges are 20,000k but if done under warranty it's free .( kindly don't allow the a.s.s to take you for a ride , provide them enough proof of many owners facing the same problem ) First the left suspension is removed then the clutch cover and then the gear box is dismantled .
( this is a exact process and charges narrated by a xuv owner in a other forum to other owners who faced this problem )

And the a,s,s won't ask you if you are graduated from petrol hatchback and if they ask reply them by saying its none if their business

I don't remember if I have posted this before but tata has also issued a notice to all a.s.s to check the shocks and if shocks are found with even a minor leakage change them under warranty for free . ( kindly check this too when the storme goes for service , and remember if found leaking it's changed free of cost , so don't let the a.s.s take you for ride and charge you )

And also they retro fit a small bracket in the front door incase you have a complaint for door not closing . The new batches already come with this fixed , but still at time of delivery if it happens ask them to check .

And if you decide to buy the storme just check the above mentioned things during your PDI.

Info and source - the info was told to me and storme911 when we took his storme for service and to rectify the issue of steering getting hard which happened because of lack and leakage of fluid which was done free of cost under warranty )

 

[manojodungat]

1) whenever official test drive report comes thread in the Indian auto news section gets closed
Renault duster , Ecosport , terrano , quanto , storme all threads have been closed similarly the storme thread was closed . There is no official test drive thread of xuv so the xuv thread is still going on .
2) test drive thread of storme is different then storme vs xuv thread .

You seem to have missed this similar thread buddy.

Re: Tata Safari Storme Vs Rest of the Competition
Thread closed. This thread has run its course. There’s no point to continue further discussions unless members understand to respect each other’s views.
Drive Safe,
350Z

@ all
There are many professional fabricators in Delhi who have installed a fantastic looking sunroof on many xuvs . IMHO it looks cool . Iam attaching the pic below . Unfortunately there is no such option for the storme atleast from the fabricator whose info iam posting below .

So people need to choose XUV over Storme because some fabricators based in Delhi can't fit sunroofs on Storme.

P.S: That aftermarket sunroof job just looks ugly on the XUV. More over it could act as a potential threat to the overall structural rigidity of the vehicle and prone to rusting and thus leakage.

@ all
And the a,s,s won't ask you if you are graduated from petrol hatchback and if they ask reply them by saying its none if their business.

The Automotive India Forum Code of Conduct (Must Read)

05) Maintain Politeness: Posts which are either directly or indirectly arrogant, provoking, offensive or threatening in nature strictly cannot be tolerated.

I don't remember if I have posted this before but tata has also issued a notice to all a.s.s to check the shocks and if shocks are found with even a minor leakage change them under warranty for free . ( kindly check this too when the storme goes for service , and remember if found leaking it's changed free of cost , so don't let the a.s.s take you for ride and charge you )

And also they retro fit a small bracket in the front door incase you have a complaint for door not closing . The new batches already come with this fixed , but still at time of delivery if it happens ask them to check .

Thanks for the info but would have helped many more, had it been found the right thread.
http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/technical-zone/9439-tata-safari-storme-technical-issues-solutions.html