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I dedicate my newly acquired mirrorless Sony NEX-5R camera and this thread to my beloved late father, who taught me the basics of photography. He used to develop B/W films and make prints at home in a make-shift-dark-room; forty years ago in a small village! Yes, he was a science teacher. He also owned cameras like Agfa Click-III, Zenith, Olympus, Pentax and finally a Yashica-FX3 SLR.
From my side, I had bought film cameras Kodak KB-10 (took a superb photo so quickly during my baby daughter's first ever raid on the Fridge) & Samsung Fino 800, Digicams Sony DSC-W50 (in 2006 with Carl Zeiss Lens) and Fuji S2500HD Prosumer Camera (in 2011 with 18X optical zoom). I was not happy with the average image quality of this Fuji. A month back I started out wanting a better ultra-zoom prosumer camera, entered the DSLR territory and last week bought a mirrorless Sony NEX-5R Compact System Camera (CSC).
If you want to spend Rs.23K or more on a digital camera, you most likely would benefit by reading this post. I am in no way related to Sony / Canon / Nikon etc.
Want good Image Quality? Get a better Image Sensor:
The image quality comes from sensor size and not from the number of mega pixels. For a given sensor size, bigger pixel will reduce the number of mega pixels per sensor but will allow more light to be captured, leading to better images. And, the number of mega pixels result in detail of the captured image. So do not fall for a 16MP, 18MP or 41MP camera with a small sensor. Here’s a little comparison of the sensor sizes:
So, if a friend says that his Nokia 808/1020 takes superb pictures when compared to most Digicams, better believe it; the two Nokias ARE that good. But, if an overexcited friend says these Nokias take better pictures than Nikon 1 or M43 cameras or DSLRs, say “cheese”. BTW, APS-C stands for Advanced Photo System type-C.
DSLRs – Options and Confusions Galore:
The latest DSLRs with APS-C sensor were found thro’ this web link: The best recent entry-level DSLRs and the listed prices were good. I was surprised that the 50X binoculars (Canon Sx50HS and Sony HX300) are priced at Rs.25-29K, so close to entry level DSLRs. I was about to fall for the Binocs. With a budget of around Rs40K, the shortlisted DSLRs were:
Canon 1100D with Kit Lens : Rs. 23K
Canon 1100D with Dual lenses : Rs. 25 – 29K
Nikon D3200 with Kit Lens : Rs. 32K
Nikon D5100 with Kit Lens : Rs. 32K
Sony Alpha A58 with Kit lens : Rs. 32K
Canon 600D with Kit Lens : Rs. 34K
Nikon D5200 with Kit Lens : Rs. 43K
Canon EOS 100D with Kit Lens : Rs. 47K (also known as Rebel SL1)
In general the Canons don’t come close to Nikons, as per various reviews and test results that I went thro’. So Nikon D5100 became the choice, with its articulating screen. But then, the Sony A58 seemed a better choice, after reaching “Sony A58 Review -- Image Quality Comparison” in Sony A58 Review - Overview. Look out for the “bottle crop”, “mosaic”, “red fabric swatch” and text details. This review also mentioned a certain “Sony NEX-6” and I made a mental note, but decided to go ahead with Sony A58 w.r.to Image Quality, based on a few other reviews like Sony Alpha A58 Digital Camera Review - Reviewed.com Cameras and also the fact that A58 is a 2013 model as against the 2011 Nikon D5100. OR should I take the D5200, which is Oct 2012 model?
I spent some time on OLX to feel the used DSLR market. This threw an interesting fact: enough people are selling their DSLRs within the first year! Another mental note and I moved onto physically feel the DSLRs. Boy oh boy, these DSLRs are HUGE in hand (compared to our old Yashica-FX3) and bloody intimidating the passers-by. That smallish Fuji S2500HD attracted enough attention. I knew I won’t enjoy walking with these big boy DSLRs. I just walked out; shall I give up my quest for better image quality?
Alternate Choices:
This site, Search the site | Cameralabs mentioned DSLRs and Mirrorless Compact System Cameras (CSC), in the same breath and opened my eyes to a world unknown to me till then. These CSCs provide superior Image Quality than compact and premium compact digital cameras, by employing even APS-C sensors or a slightly smaller Micro Four Third sensors (see the Sensor size table). I was helped by Mirrorless cameras to isolate my pick, which was Sony NEX-6. The micro four thirds were rejected after viewing plenty of full size images and comparing them with APS-C images. Moreover, the NEX-6 has an electronic viewfinder (both my digicams Sony W50 and S2500HD have viewfinders and I always used them – a habit from Yashica-FX3 and Film camera days). After reading more online reviews, the NEX-6 seemed the better bet. A visit to Sony Center at Rajajinagar Bangalore proved that I was not comfortable with NEX-6 viewfinder, in spite of the diopter adjustment (I wear reading glasses; for more choices with CSCs, those who cannot breathe without a viewfinder may check out this site: Mirrorless cameras with a viewfinder).
In the meantime I came across Mr.Trey Ratcliff at Hello Sony. Goodbye Nikon. The Story of why I am Switching from Nikon to Sony. explaining why of late he has ditched DSLRs. He uses NEX-7 and I didn’t want to spend THAT much money on NEX-7. I am NOT THAT passionate.
My Final Choice:
A quick revisit to the site below proved that NEX-5R and NEX-6 are at par when it comes to Image Quality (overall 78):
DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side. This site Compact Camera Meter showed me the size advantage of the NEX-5R (with 16-50mm kit lens) over my Fuji and Nikon D5100 DSLR (with 18-55mm kit lens). That was the last straw and I just ordered NEX-5R on “ebay.in” on 6th Sep 2013 (for Rs.34.7K as against Rs.39K at Sony center) and got delivery on 13th Sep 2013. Below are the photos of my three Digicams. The top view shot reveals the narrow waistline of this NEX-5R. And THIS has an APS-C Image sensor.
Presently fiddling with the NEX-5R and very satisfied specially with its crisp pictures and low light performance. The very first photo on my NEX-5R was taken with just one overhead 11W CFL. A re-sized image and a crop of the original image are given below:
The size of the original image is 4.68MB and the focusing is on the face of Lord Karthik. Will upload more pictures and my own review, once I read the manual fully and understand the camera and its operation.
My Suggestions:
For “Zoom and only Zoom” types: If anyone told me to stay clear of the 18X fuji back in 2011, I would have buried them. Seeing me with the Fuji, five of my friends ended up with super zooms from Fuji, Canon and Nikon (NONE of us are happy with the images). IF you want Zoom and only Zoom, choose Canon Sx50HS or Sony HX300 as you please. You won’t be disappointed as long as your objective is not to print beyond A4 size and not to pixel peek (view beyond 100% magnification).
For “DSLR IS my DREAM” types: IF you cannot live without a viewfinder, need a flipping screen, want very good Image Quality, want to build more muscles in arms, strengthen your back by lugging heavy equipment, want to look serious and professional (but NOT a PRO), want to intimidate your subjects and silence them, DLSRs are meant for YOU. Just buy either a Sony Alpha SLT-A58 (ranked at 55 in DXO marks) or Nikon D5100 (ranked at 31 in DXO marks) or the costly D5200 (ranked at 12 in DXO marks). Stay clear of all those Canons below Rs.50K and Panasonic DMC-G series. If you do not want the flippy screen, the Nikon D3200 with its 24MP goodness is for you. See where they stand in DXOmarks below: DxOMark - Camera Sensor Ratings
For “Quality but on Compact Body” types: If you want all those in the para above but without the weight lifting routine and no requirement to look like a Pro (err.. requirement to intimidate ) but want to feel comfortable with a slim CSC, choose NEX-7, NEX-6 (with viewfinder, but w/o touch screen) or NEX-5R (w/o viewfinder, but with touch screen) or NEX-3N (Rs.25-27K online). Just ensure that you get the latest NEX with the 16-50mm Power Zoom kit lens and not the older and bulkier 18-55mm kit lens. Living abroad opens the doors for Olympus OMD and Fuji X series. All these are Inter-changeable Lens Cameras (ILC). Meaning, as and when you get money, you can buy ZOOM Lenses and beat those ZOOM ZOOM Binocs guys. Stay clear of the Nikon 1 (1” sensor), Panasonic DMC-G series (M43 sensor) and the APS-C based Canon EOS M & Samsung NX line.
For “There isn't anything smaller? Types: If CSC is thicker for you, but still insist on Image Quality, the super pocket-able Sony Rx-100 (Rs.30K) is for you. Or you could buy a Nokia 808/1020 phones if you are OK with the mobile OSs. But please do not try to convince the world that the Nokias are better than the RX100.
For “Smaller but THE ultimate” types: If you have money, you want extreme portability AND the best Image Quality, the Sony Rx-1 with its full frame sensor but priced around Rs. 1.7 Lacs is for you.
For “Its necessary and I am not that passionate” types: Those of you looking for digicams from 7K to Rs.25K may get more ideas while starting with this site The lowest priced compacts announced in the last year.
For PROs: You would not be reading this anyway.
Summary:
I selected NEX-5R for its APS-C sensor, compactness, articulated screen, remote operation thro' Android/iOS smart phone, image quality, ISO performance, opportunity to use legacy Nikon/Canon lenses thro' adapters and a few other reasons. Google for "Sony Alpha NEX-5R review" to find more on those reasons. I hope this post helps some to make ideal choices. Thanks for reading this. Good bye and Good luck.
From my side, I had bought film cameras Kodak KB-10 (took a superb photo so quickly during my baby daughter's first ever raid on the Fridge) & Samsung Fino 800, Digicams Sony DSC-W50 (in 2006 with Carl Zeiss Lens) and Fuji S2500HD Prosumer Camera (in 2011 with 18X optical zoom). I was not happy with the average image quality of this Fuji. A month back I started out wanting a better ultra-zoom prosumer camera, entered the DSLR territory and last week bought a mirrorless Sony NEX-5R Compact System Camera (CSC).
If you want to spend Rs.23K or more on a digital camera, you most likely would benefit by reading this post. I am in no way related to Sony / Canon / Nikon etc.
Want good Image Quality? Get a better Image Sensor:
The image quality comes from sensor size and not from the number of mega pixels. For a given sensor size, bigger pixel will reduce the number of mega pixels per sensor but will allow more light to be captured, leading to better images. And, the number of mega pixels result in detail of the captured image. So do not fall for a 16MP, 18MP or 41MP camera with a small sensor. Here’s a little comparison of the sensor sizes:
So, if a friend says that his Nokia 808/1020 takes superb pictures when compared to most Digicams, better believe it; the two Nokias ARE that good. But, if an overexcited friend says these Nokias take better pictures than Nikon 1 or M43 cameras or DSLRs, say “cheese”. BTW, APS-C stands for Advanced Photo System type-C.
DSLRs – Options and Confusions Galore:
The latest DSLRs with APS-C sensor were found thro’ this web link: The best recent entry-level DSLRs and the listed prices were good. I was surprised that the 50X binoculars (Canon Sx50HS and Sony HX300) are priced at Rs.25-29K, so close to entry level DSLRs. I was about to fall for the Binocs. With a budget of around Rs40K, the shortlisted DSLRs were:
Canon 1100D with Kit Lens : Rs. 23K
Canon 1100D with Dual lenses : Rs. 25 – 29K
Nikon D3200 with Kit Lens : Rs. 32K
Nikon D5100 with Kit Lens : Rs. 32K
Sony Alpha A58 with Kit lens : Rs. 32K
Canon 600D with Kit Lens : Rs. 34K
Nikon D5200 with Kit Lens : Rs. 43K
Canon EOS 100D with Kit Lens : Rs. 47K (also known as Rebel SL1)
In general the Canons don’t come close to Nikons, as per various reviews and test results that I went thro’. So Nikon D5100 became the choice, with its articulating screen. But then, the Sony A58 seemed a better choice, after reaching “Sony A58 Review -- Image Quality Comparison” in Sony A58 Review - Overview. Look out for the “bottle crop”, “mosaic”, “red fabric swatch” and text details. This review also mentioned a certain “Sony NEX-6” and I made a mental note, but decided to go ahead with Sony A58 w.r.to Image Quality, based on a few other reviews like Sony Alpha A58 Digital Camera Review - Reviewed.com Cameras and also the fact that A58 is a 2013 model as against the 2011 Nikon D5100. OR should I take the D5200, which is Oct 2012 model?
I spent some time on OLX to feel the used DSLR market. This threw an interesting fact: enough people are selling their DSLRs within the first year! Another mental note and I moved onto physically feel the DSLRs. Boy oh boy, these DSLRs are HUGE in hand (compared to our old Yashica-FX3) and bloody intimidating the passers-by. That smallish Fuji S2500HD attracted enough attention. I knew I won’t enjoy walking with these big boy DSLRs. I just walked out; shall I give up my quest for better image quality?
Alternate Choices:
This site, Search the site | Cameralabs mentioned DSLRs and Mirrorless Compact System Cameras (CSC), in the same breath and opened my eyes to a world unknown to me till then. These CSCs provide superior Image Quality than compact and premium compact digital cameras, by employing even APS-C sensors or a slightly smaller Micro Four Third sensors (see the Sensor size table). I was helped by Mirrorless cameras to isolate my pick, which was Sony NEX-6. The micro four thirds were rejected after viewing plenty of full size images and comparing them with APS-C images. Moreover, the NEX-6 has an electronic viewfinder (both my digicams Sony W50 and S2500HD have viewfinders and I always used them – a habit from Yashica-FX3 and Film camera days). After reading more online reviews, the NEX-6 seemed the better bet. A visit to Sony Center at Rajajinagar Bangalore proved that I was not comfortable with NEX-6 viewfinder, in spite of the diopter adjustment (I wear reading glasses; for more choices with CSCs, those who cannot breathe without a viewfinder may check out this site: Mirrorless cameras with a viewfinder).
In the meantime I came across Mr.Trey Ratcliff at Hello Sony. Goodbye Nikon. The Story of why I am Switching from Nikon to Sony. explaining why of late he has ditched DSLRs. He uses NEX-7 and I didn’t want to spend THAT much money on NEX-7. I am NOT THAT passionate.
My Final Choice:
A quick revisit to the site below proved that NEX-5R and NEX-6 are at par when it comes to Image Quality (overall 78):
DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side. This site Compact Camera Meter showed me the size advantage of the NEX-5R (with 16-50mm kit lens) over my Fuji and Nikon D5100 DSLR (with 18-55mm kit lens). That was the last straw and I just ordered NEX-5R on “ebay.in” on 6th Sep 2013 (for Rs.34.7K as against Rs.39K at Sony center) and got delivery on 13th Sep 2013. Below are the photos of my three Digicams. The top view shot reveals the narrow waistline of this NEX-5R. And THIS has an APS-C Image sensor.
Presently fiddling with the NEX-5R and very satisfied specially with its crisp pictures and low light performance. The very first photo on my NEX-5R was taken with just one overhead 11W CFL. A re-sized image and a crop of the original image are given below:
The size of the original image is 4.68MB and the focusing is on the face of Lord Karthik. Will upload more pictures and my own review, once I read the manual fully and understand the camera and its operation.
My Suggestions:
For “Zoom and only Zoom” types: If anyone told me to stay clear of the 18X fuji back in 2011, I would have buried them. Seeing me with the Fuji, five of my friends ended up with super zooms from Fuji, Canon and Nikon (NONE of us are happy with the images). IF you want Zoom and only Zoom, choose Canon Sx50HS or Sony HX300 as you please. You won’t be disappointed as long as your objective is not to print beyond A4 size and not to pixel peek (view beyond 100% magnification).
For “DSLR IS my DREAM” types: IF you cannot live without a viewfinder, need a flipping screen, want very good Image Quality, want to build more muscles in arms, strengthen your back by lugging heavy equipment, want to look serious and professional (but NOT a PRO), want to intimidate your subjects and silence them, DLSRs are meant for YOU. Just buy either a Sony Alpha SLT-A58 (ranked at 55 in DXO marks) or Nikon D5100 (ranked at 31 in DXO marks) or the costly D5200 (ranked at 12 in DXO marks). Stay clear of all those Canons below Rs.50K and Panasonic DMC-G series. If you do not want the flippy screen, the Nikon D3200 with its 24MP goodness is for you. See where they stand in DXOmarks below: DxOMark - Camera Sensor Ratings
For “Quality but on Compact Body” types: If you want all those in the para above but without the weight lifting routine and no requirement to look like a Pro (err.. requirement to intimidate ) but want to feel comfortable with a slim CSC, choose NEX-7, NEX-6 (with viewfinder, but w/o touch screen) or NEX-5R (w/o viewfinder, but with touch screen) or NEX-3N (Rs.25-27K online). Just ensure that you get the latest NEX with the 16-50mm Power Zoom kit lens and not the older and bulkier 18-55mm kit lens. Living abroad opens the doors for Olympus OMD and Fuji X series. All these are Inter-changeable Lens Cameras (ILC). Meaning, as and when you get money, you can buy ZOOM Lenses and beat those ZOOM ZOOM Binocs guys. Stay clear of the Nikon 1 (1” sensor), Panasonic DMC-G series (M43 sensor) and the APS-C based Canon EOS M & Samsung NX line.
For “There isn't anything smaller? Types: If CSC is thicker for you, but still insist on Image Quality, the super pocket-able Sony Rx-100 (Rs.30K) is for you. Or you could buy a Nokia 808/1020 phones if you are OK with the mobile OSs. But please do not try to convince the world that the Nokias are better than the RX100.
For “Smaller but THE ultimate” types: If you have money, you want extreme portability AND the best Image Quality, the Sony Rx-1 with its full frame sensor but priced around Rs. 1.7 Lacs is for you.
For “Its necessary and I am not that passionate” types: Those of you looking for digicams from 7K to Rs.25K may get more ideas while starting with this site The lowest priced compacts announced in the last year.
For PROs: You would not be reading this anyway.
Summary:
I selected NEX-5R for its APS-C sensor, compactness, articulated screen, remote operation thro' Android/iOS smart phone, image quality, ISO performance, opportunity to use legacy Nikon/Canon lenses thro' adapters and a few other reasons. Google for "Sony Alpha NEX-5R review" to find more on those reasons. I hope this post helps some to make ideal choices. Thanks for reading this. Good bye and Good luck.